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[[Greek Byzantine Catholic Church|Greek Catholics]] and [[Latin Church|Latin rite Catholics]] are two separate groups and it's unclear in the article which of the two was involved in some places. Since there seem to be 5000 of the former in Greece, mostly located in Athens, and 50000 of the latter in Greece, it's most likely that the latter are referred to here. Especially since the altar was a separate one - the Latins would use a different structure, while the Greeks would use an identical structure to the Orthodox, and only political reasons would have them want their own separate structure. Political reasons cannot be excluded, but it's unlikely given that the dates and population sizes suggest Latin rite Catholic involvement. Also, while the Greek Church was formally established as its own ""sui iuris"" Church much later, there were individual Greek Catholics and their clergy who used the Byzantine rite. Overall, this was probably a dispute between Latin rite Catholics and Orthodox. [[User:RuralVirologist|RuralVirologist]] ([[User talk:RuralVirologist|talk]]) 11:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
[[Greek Byzantine Catholic Church|Greek Catholics]] and [[Latin Church|Latin rite Catholics]] are two separate groups and it's unclear in the article which of the two was involved in some places. Since there seem to be 5000 of the former in Greece, mostly located in Athens, and 50000 of the latter in Greece, it's most likely that the latter are referred to here. Especially since the altar was a separate one - the Latins would use a different structure, while the Greeks would use an identical structure to the Orthodox, and only political reasons would have them want their own separate structure. Political reasons cannot be excluded, but it's unlikely given that the dates and population sizes suggest Latin rite Catholic involvement. Also, while the Greek Church was formally established as its own ""sui iuris"" Church much later, there were individual Greek Catholics and their clergy who used the Byzantine rite. Overall, this was probably a dispute between Latin rite Catholics and Orthodox. [[User:RuralVirologist|RuralVirologist]] ([[User talk:RuralVirologist|talk]]) 11:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Translation of große Messe == |
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The term seems to refer mostly to [[Great Mass in C minor]] by [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart]]. The German page for [[Solemn Mass|High Mass]] says High Mass suggests translated "feierliche Messe" but would probably not apply to the Orthodox. In standard English the main Mass, of whatever sort amongst Catholics, would be called the main Mass, whether High Mass or other. The term was probably introduced by a lay Orthodox editor using Latin terminology for the most important liturgy of the day, or perhaps a "[[high church]]" liturgy. While many Orthodox will use the term Mass, it is not favoured, and liturgy for everyday use and [[Divine Liturgy]] for what Catholics call the [[Mass (liturgy)|Mass]]. [[User:RuralVirologist|RuralVirologist]] ([[User talk:RuralVirologist|talk]]) 11:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Uncertainty re Greek Catholic vs Latin rite Catholic
Greek Catholics and Latin rite Catholics are two separate groups and it's unclear in the article which of the two was involved in some places. Since there seem to be 5000 of the former in Greece, mostly located in Athens, and 50000 of the latter in Greece, it's most likely that the latter are referred to here. Especially since the altar was a separate one - the Latins would use a different structure, while the Greeks would use an identical structure to the Orthodox, and only political reasons would have them want their own separate structure. Political reasons cannot be excluded, but it's unlikely given that the dates and population sizes suggest Latin rite Catholic involvement. Also, while the Greek Church was formally established as its own ""sui iuris"" Church much later, there were individual Greek Catholics and their clergy who used the Byzantine rite. Overall, this was probably a dispute between Latin rite Catholics and Orthodox. RuralVirologist (talk) 11:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Translation of große Messe
The term seems to refer mostly to Great Mass in C minor by Mozart. The German page for High Mass says High Mass suggests translated "feierliche Messe" but would probably not apply to the Orthodox. In standard English the main Mass, of whatever sort amongst Catholics, would be called the main Mass, whether High Mass or other. The term was probably introduced by a lay Orthodox editor using Latin terminology for the most important liturgy of the day, or perhaps a "high church" liturgy. While many Orthodox will use the term Mass, it is not favoured, and liturgy for everyday use and Divine Liturgy for what Catholics call the Mass. RuralVirologist (talk) 11:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)