User talk:24.212.139.102

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Arnold Chan

Hello. Just for the record (I realize now it could have been unclear), my edit summary for reverting your edits on Arnold Chan was to show that the Parliament of Canada technically considers MPs to start their term on the day they are elected. The file for Yvonne Jones is what this was meant to represent. Another, more notable, case of this is John Dahmer, who died just five days after first being elected, before he could take the official oath, yet is still considered an MP. Tholden28 (talk) 19:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Then how do you account for the fact that although Jones was elected on May 13, 2013, she did not assume office until June 4, 2013? Perhaps because at the time of her election Parliament was in recess? In Dahmer's case, this can easily be explained by the fact that his was an exceptional case (i.e. death). Do you have a source that actually confirms your assertion? -- 24.212.139.102 (talk) 20:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Again, see the pages for Jones and Dahmer (which I'll link here). For Jones, they list her "parliamentary group" as beginning on the date of her election, and her "Roles as a Parliamentarian" just a few days after her by-election victory. Both of these indicate that she was, at the time, a parliamentarian. So to does her "Years of Service," which has her serving 415 Days (1 year, 1 month, 20 days) - meaning her service would have begun in May 2013, upon her election. Likewise, Dahmer's "Years of Service" is listed at 6 days - meaning he too began his term following his election. While they may not officially "take their seat" if the House of Commons is out of of session (as Dahmer's file notes), they became Members of Parliament immediately following their elections. Tholden28 (talk) 20:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's not very compelling. It's one thing to say "it happened with these guys" so it must be policy (a weak argument) and actually being able to point to an official policy in that regard. All you can provide is the former. Also, if what you say is correct, then why haven't you edited Jones' page to reflect her "assumed office" date as May 13, 2013, the date on which she was first elected to Parliament? -- 24.212.139.102 (talk) 03:37, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

For Jones, frankly I was unaware her article has her assuming office in June 2013. That is incorrect. As I've clearly demonstrated, the official Parliament of Canada website - which I think we would both agree would be the number one source for matters like this - lists every member - not just Jones and Dahmer - as assuming office the date of their election. Again, take a look at "Years of Service," "Parliamentary Group" (specifically "Term") and in some cases "Roles as a Parliamentarian." If the Parliament of Canada website specifically states that a parliamentarian's term begins on the date of their election, than that is when their term begins.

Additionally, the fact is that while Chan, as well as Adam Vaughan, John Barlow, and David Yurdiga, may not actually get to physically sit in the House of Commons until September, do you realistically expect that until September they will be sitting around doing nothing, unable to perform the duties of a parliamentarian? Tholden28 (talk) 03:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I would expect the new guys to be finding a place to live in Ottawa, setting up a constituency office, and hiring permanent legislative and constituency office staff.

Oh, btw, I did a random sampling of 20 from the list of current MPs and on their personal articles the majority (16/20) of them only list the year where it says "assumed office". I suggest you get on top of that. -- 24.212.139.102 (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC)