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Merger proposal

Devastation Turret Class Ship was incorrectly created as a new article by the WP:AFC process. It is a rewrite of this existing treatment of the subject, and now needs to be merged into the existing article. Benea (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with most of that statement. It was not incorrectly created, it is more comprehensive than the old article and as such, if there is anything different in the old article, it should be merged into the new more comprehensive one. Histmerge is likely appropriate here. The new name also seems more proper, as the old one seems like a specific ship that falls in the class and not the class itself. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 17:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCSHIPS suggests that the most appropriate title is the one at the existing article title (the current one is a capitalisation and grammar mess, there are two ships discussed in this class - if there was one ship, well there was one already existing at HMS Devastation (1871) and a merge of some information may be appropriate there), the proper task is a merge of the information into the existing class article. It's too bad that in this case the user was not asked to add his information into a rewrite of the existing page, the criteria at WP:AFC clearly has in the quick-fail criteria the clause that if the subject is covered elsewhere. The appropriate act is a rewrite of the existing article, not a creation of a duplicate one with different information. Insufficient work was carried out to determine if an article on the same subject already existed, despite there being ample links to the existing class article elsewhere, and the original submitter's comment on the talk page that "Have rewritten the original artical blending the original text in with the added material." Self-righteousness aside, is it too much to ask those at AFC to do the checks properly before making more work for other users to do histmerges and so on. Benea (talk) 22:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 [[Devastation Turret Class Ship]] was incorrectly created as a new article by the [[WP:AFC]] process. It is a rewrite of this existing treatment of the subject, and now needs to be merged into the existing article. [[User:Benea|Benea]] ([[User talk:Benea|talk]]) 16:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree with most of that statement.  It was not incorrectly created, it is more comprehensive than the old article and as such, if there is anything different in the old article, it should be merged into the new more comprehensive one.  Histmerge is likely appropriate here. The new name also seems more proper, as the old one seems like a specific ship that falls in the class and not the class itself. — <span class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]&#125;&#125; <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])</sup></span> 17:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
+::[[WP:NCSHIPS]] suggests that the most appropriate title is the one at the existing article title (the current one is a capitalisation and grammar mess, there are two ships discussed in this class - if there was one ship, well there was one already existing at [[HMS Devastation (1871)]] and a merge of some information may be appropriate there), the proper task is a merge of the information into the existing class article. It's too bad that in this case the user was not asked to add his information into a rewrite of the existing page, the criteria at [[WP:AFC]] clearly has in the quick-fail criteria the clause that if the subject is covered elsewhere. The appropriate act is a rewrite of the existing article, not a creation of a duplicate one with different information. Insufficient work was carried out to determine if an article on the same subject already existed, despite there being ample links to the existing class article elsewhere, and the original submitter's comment on the talk page that "Have rewritten the original artical blending the original text in with the added material." Self-righteousness aside, is it too much to ask those at AFC to do the checks properly before making more work for other users to do histmerges and so on. [[User:Benea|Benea]] ([[User talk:Benea|talk]]) 22:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)