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Looks like there are more IUCN Status icons to add. It might also be a good idea to harmonize (or at least explain) the rank of Cetartiodactyla, treated as a superorder or higher clade in other articles, and as an order here.

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Cetartiodactyla

Hey I reverted a couple changes you made to the taxobox templates. As far as I can tell, you are trying to get "Cetartiodactyla" to show up as the order and Cetacea as unranked everywhere. Is that right? I'm not going to try to stop you from doing this, but this wasn't quite the right way to do it. e.g., if we're going to do it we should probably get rid of Template:Taxonomy/Cetacea/Mammalia instead of doing what you were doing. Do you want to do this? Do you believe there is consensus to make a mass change to all whale taxoboxes? Can we float the idea at talk:Cetacea or someplace before doing it? If we decide to, let's discuss exactly how (or just let me do it) before doing it, ok? Thanks, ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 01:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @ErikHaugen:, That is what I was trying to do. But I have no experience with editing the taxonomy templates. The Order for all cetaceans should be Cetartiodactyla Not Cetacea (which should be unranked based on current understanding); and Odontoceti and Mysticeti, which were previously suborder should be unranked as well. The old system should always be visible as unranked, since this is a major change in taxonomy compared to current public knowledge. I had managed to make Cetacea and the two suborders unranked in the template, but it would not allow me to make an new entry for the Order which should be Cetartiodactyla.

Based on molecular and morphological research, the cetaceans genetically and morphologically fall firmly within the Artiodactyla (even-toed ungulates).^[1]^[2] The term Cetartiodactyla reflects the idea that whales evolved within the ungulates. The term was coined by merging the name for the two orders, Cetacea and Artiodactyla, into a single word. Under this definition, the closest living land relative of the whales and dolphins is thought to be the hippopotamuses. Use of Order Cetartiodactyla, instead of Cetacea with Suborders Odontoceti and Mysticeti, is favored by most evolutionary mammalogists working with molecular data^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6] and is supported the IUCN Cetacean Specialist Group^[7] and by Taxonomy Committee^[8] of the Society for Marine Mammalogy, the largest international association of marine mammal scientists in the world.

If it helps, I am a cetacean biologist and sit on the board of the Society for Marine Mammalogy. Our taxonomy committee publishes the definitive list of marine mammal species and subspecies and recently updated the taxonomy to use Cetartiodactyla which has gained a majority agreement. I am happy to have this discussed and I have posted for help to edit the template both in talk:WikiProject Cetaceans ‎and talk:WikiProject Mammals but had not reply.

I am happy for you to make the changes and thank you in advance for any help or advice in guiding me through this needed process.‎

ShaneGero (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Geisler, Jonathan H.; Uden, Mark D. (2005). "Phylogenetic Relationships of Extinct Cetartiodactyls: Results of Simultaneous Analyses of Molecular, Morphological, and Stratigraphic Data". Journal of Mammalian Evolution. 12 (1–2): 145–160. doi:10.1007/s10914-005-4963-8.
^ Graur, D.; Higgins, G. (1994). "Molecular evidence for the inclusion of cetaceans within the order Artiodactyla" (PDF). Molecular Biology and Evolution. 11 (3): 357–364. PMID 8015431.
^ Agnarsson, I.; May-Collado, LJ. (2008). "The phylogeny of Cetartiodactyla: the importance of dense taxon sampling, missing data, and the remarkable promise of cytochrome b to provide reliable species-level phylogenies". Mol Phylogenet Evol. 48 (3): 964–985. PMID 18590827.
^ Price, SA.; Bininda-Emonds, OR.; Gittleman, JL. (2005). "A complete phylogeny of the whales, dolphins and even-toed hoofed mammals – Cetartiodactyla". Biol Rev Camb Philos Soc. 80 (3): 445–473. PMID 16094808.
^ Montgelard, C.; Catzeflis, FM.; Douzery, E. (1997). "Phylogenetic relationships of artiodactyls and cetaceans as deduced from the comparison of cytochrome b and 12S RNA mitochondrial sequences". Molecular Biology and Evolution. 14 (5): 550–559. PMID 9159933.
^ Spaulding, M.; O'Leary, MA.; Gatesy, J. (2009). "Relationships of Cetacea -Artiodactyla- Among Mammals: Increased Taxon Sampling Alters Interpretations of Key Fossils and Character Evolution". PLoS ONE. 4 (9): e7062. Bibcode:2009PLoSO...4.7062S. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0007062. PMID 19774069.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
^ Cetacean Species and Taxonomy. iucn-csg.org
^ "The Society for Marine Mammalogy's Taxonomy Committee List of Species and subspecies".

[1] Geisler, Jonathan H.; Uden, Mark D. (2005). "Phylogenetic Relationships of Extinct Cetartiodactyls: Results of Simultaneous Analyses of Molecular, Morphological, and Stratigraphic Data". Journal of Mammalian Evolution. 12 (1–2): 145–160. doi:10.1007/s10914-005-4963-8.

[2] Graur, D.; Higgins, G. (1994). "Molecular evidence for the inclusion of cetaceans within the order Artiodactyla" (PDF). Molecular Biology and Evolution. 11 (3): 357–364. PMID 8015431.

[3] Agnarsson, I.; May-Collado, LJ. (2008). "The phylogeny of Cetartiodactyla: the importance of dense taxon sampling, missing data, and the remarkable promise of cytochrome b to provide reliable species-level phylogenies". Mol Phylogenet Evol. 48 (3): 964–985. PMID 18590827.

[4] Price, SA.; Bininda-Emonds, OR.; Gittleman, JL. (2005). "A complete phylogeny of the whales, dolphins and even-toed hoofed mammals – Cetartiodactyla". Biol Rev Camb Philos Soc. 80 (3): 445–473. PMID 16094808.

[5] Montgelard, C.; Catzeflis, FM.; Douzery, E. (1997). "Phylogenetic relationships of artiodactyls and cetaceans as deduced from the comparison of cytochrome b and 12S RNA mitochondrial sequences". Molecular Biology and Evolution. 14 (5): 550–559. PMID 9159933.

[6] Spaulding, M.; O'Leary, MA.; Gatesy, J. (2009). "Relationships of Cetacea -Artiodactyla- Among Mammals: Increased Taxon Sampling Alters Interpretations of Key Fossils and Character Evolution". PLoS ONE. 4 (9): e7062. Bibcode:2009PLoSO...4.7062S. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0007062. PMID 19774069.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

[7] Cetacean Species and Taxonomy. iucn-csg.org

[8] "The Society for Marine Mammalogy's Taxonomy Committee List of Species and subspecies".

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 Hey I reverted a couple changes you made to the taxobox templates.  As far as I can tell, you are trying to get "Cetartiodactyla" to show up as the order and Cetacea as unranked ''everywhere''.  Is that right?  I'm not going to try to stop you from doing this, but this wasn't quite the right way to do it.  e.g., if we're going to do it we should probably get rid of [[:Template:Taxonomy/Cetacea/Mammalia]] instead of doing what you were doing.  Do you want to do this?  Do you believe there is consensus to make a mass change to all whale taxoboxes?  Can we float the idea at [[talk:Cetacea]] or someplace before doing it?  If we decide to, let's discuss exactly how (or just let me do it) before doing it, ok?  Thanks, [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 01:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
+::Thanks, {{Ping|ErikHaugen}}, That is what I was trying to do. But I have no experience with editing the taxonomy templates. The Order for all cetaceans should be [[Cetartiodactyla]] Not [[Cetacea]] (which should be unranked based on current understanding); and [[Odontoceti]] and [[Mysticeti]], which were previously suborder should be unranked as well. The old system should always be visible as unranked, since this is a major change in taxonomy compared to current public knowledge. I had managed to make Cetacea and the two suborders unranked in the template, but it would not allow me to make an new entry for the Order which should be [[Cetartiodactyla]].
+::Based on molecular and morphological research, the cetaceans genetically and morphologically fall firmly within the [[Artiodactyla]] ([[even-toed ungulates]]).<ref>{{cite journal |title=Phylogenetic Relationships of Extinct Cetartiodactyls: Results of Simultaneous Analyses of Molecular, Morphological, and Stratigraphic Data |journal=Journal of Mammalian Evolution |year=2005 |last1=Geisler |first1=Jonathan H. |last2=Uden |first2=Mark D. |volume=12 |issue=1–2 |pages=145–160 |doi=10.1007/s10914-005-4963-8}}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |title=Molecular evidence for the inclusion of cetaceans within the order Artiodactyla |journal=Molecular Biology and Evolution |year=1994 |last1=Graur |first1=D. |last2=Higgins |first2=G. |volume=11 |issue=3 |pages=357–364 |url=http://nsmn1.uh.edu/dgraur/ArticlesPDFs/MBE_Artiodactyla.pdf |format=PDF|pmid=8015431 }}</ref> The term [[Cetartiodactyla]] reflects the idea that whales evolved within the ungulates. The term was coined by merging the name for the two orders, [[Cetacea]] and [[Artiodactyla]], into a single word. Under this definition, the closest living land relative of the whales and dolphins is thought to be the [[hippopotamus]]es. Use of Order [[Cetartiodactyla]], instead of [[Cetacea]] with Suborders [[Odontoceti]] and [[Mysticeti]], is favored by most evolutionary mammalogists working with molecular data<ref>{{cite journal |title=The phylogeny of Cetartiodactyla: the importance of dense taxon sampling, missing data, and the remarkable promise of cytochrome b to provide reliable species-level phylogenies |journal=Mol Phylogenet Evol. |year=2008 |last1=Agnarsson |first1=I. |last2=May-Collado |first2=LJ. |volume=48 |issue=3 |pages=964–985 |url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18590827 |pmid=18590827 }}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |title=A complete phylogeny of the whales, dolphins and even-toed hoofed mammals – Cetartiodactyla |journal=Biol Rev Camb Philos Soc.  |year=2005 |last1=Price |first1=SA. |last2=Bininda-Emonds |first2=OR. |last3=Gittleman |first3=JL. |volume=80 |issue=3 |pages=445–473 |url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094808 |pmid=16094808  }}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |title=Phylogenetic relationships of artiodactyls and cetaceans as deduced from the comparison of cytochrome b and 12S RNA mitochondrial sequences |journal=Molecular Biology and Evolution |year=1997 |last1=Montgelard |first1=C. |last2=Catzeflis |first2=FM. |last3=Douzery |first3=E. |volume=14 |issue=5 |pages=550–559 |url=http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/14/5/550.short |pmid=9159933 }}</ref><ref>{{cite journal |title=Relationships of Cetacea -Artiodactyla- Among Mammals: Increased Taxon Sampling Alters Interpretations of Key Fossils and Character Evolution |journal=PLoS ONE |volume=4 |issue=9 |pages=e7062 |year=2009 |last1= Spaulding |first1=M. |last2=O'Leary |first2=MA. |last3=Gatesy |first3=J. |doi=10.1371/journal.pone.0007062 |pmid=19774069 |url=http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007062 |bibcode=2009PLoSO...4.7062S }}</ref> and is supported the [[IUCN]] Cetacean Specialist Group<ref>[http://www.iucn-csg.org/index.php/taxonomy/ Cetacean Species and Taxonomy]. iucn-csg.org</ref> and by Taxonomy Committee<ref>[https://www.marinemammalscience.org/species-information/list-of-marine-mammal-species-subspecies/ "The Society for Marine Mammalogy's Taxonomy Committee List of Species and subspecies"]. </ref> of the [[Society for Marine Mammalogy]], the largest international association of marine mammal scientists in the world.
+::If it helps, I am a cetacean biologist and sit on the board of the [[Society for Marine Mammalogy]]. Our [https://www.marinemammalscience.org/species-information/list-of-marine-mammal-species-subspecies/ taxonomy committee] publishes the definitive list of marine mammal species and subspecies and recently updated the taxonomy to use [[Cetartiodactyla]] which has gained a majority agreement. I am happy to have this discussed and I have posted for help to edit the template both in talk:WikiProject Cetaceans ‎and talk:WikiProject Mammals but had not reply.
+::I am happy for you to make the changes and thank you in advance for any help or advice in guiding me through this needed process.‎
+::[[User:ShaneGero|ShaneGero]] ([[User talk:ShaneGero#top|talk]]) 15:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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