User talk:Tewfik/Archive 3

Archive 1 (rocky start), Archive 2 (until 17-06-2006)

Thanks

Thanks for the help on the cite web problem! --Geneb1955^Talk/_CVU 04:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

origin of missile

This is the article : [1]. Sorry about not assuming good faith before.--Paraphelion 08:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Israel/Lebanon

Umm so you are right, it was a citied ap source YNET is much more bias--Jerluvsthecubs 09:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Fly,

I reverted because you mistakenly added another 9 to the number of Israeli dead, which I had already updated, and because the new Lebanese number didn't distinguish between civilians and militants, whereas the previous source for it (Reuters, not Ynet) did. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 15:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks, too many changes too fast!--Jerluvsthecubs 20:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Image

You have been active on the lebanon crisis page, what do you think about the picture? Some are claiming that its a violation of NPOV because it shows Israeli's, but I think this is pretty crazy. Chances are you will never get both sides in the same picture, and on top of that there are very few images of this event that are free, or qualify for fair use. You probably saw the black and white explosion image, as far as images go its a choice between that and the blockade. Out of these, I find the blockade is slightly more interesting. But what do you think of this issue? ~Rangeley (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, good to see I'm not crazy. And you have done a good job on the article, there has been a surprising amount of vandalism and bad edits to sift through and you have been there fixing it the whole time. ~Rangeley (talk) 16:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I have wanted it gone since it was put up, its more a form of covert vandalism than anything. People slap it on without basis, and dont state their objections anywhere. If people see small errors, they should fix them, not put up a tag. ~Rangeley (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

CNN4

I removed the first one (hope thats what you wanted.) ~Rangeley (talk) 21:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I took a look at it, it seems that the code is messed up somehow. I will try and fix it, if I can figure out how. ~Rangeley (talk) 21:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it was fixed, so all is well. ~Rangeley (talk) 21:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Yea, people who use firefox have that happen sometimes, its a bug or something. ~Rangeley (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Lebanese

But now you have the problem of not distinguishing between Lebanese and those of other nationalities. OzLawyer 22:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not a minor problem at all. It's a problem of truth. Why not just put "civilians/Hezbollah militants" if you don't want to/can't distinguish? (If you can distinguish, you should.) OzLawyer 22:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The infobox is an overview. It should include all the dead. Since you cannot include each nationality, then wouldn't the most logical thing be to list "civilians" (and Hezbollah militants if you know the numbers), ignoring nationality? OzLawyer 22:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It would be no less useful than the way it is now. OzLawyer 22:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't your mistake; 24.45.196.120 did that. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Lebanese casualty picture

I noticed that you (rightly) removed this picture. I found the picture on the Al-jazeeza website in the meanwhile [2]. This site confirms that it is a picture from this crisis. I however do not know what kind of use of this picture is permitted. Do you know who to find that out? Sijo Ripa 03:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I found it out myself (just had to scroll down): a fair use notice. Sijo Ripa 03:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Are Lebanonese civillians not civillians?

Hi,

I made a change on the 2006 Israel-Lebanon crisis with this summary: The deads were civilians according to the references (and I don't understand the reason of using "Lebanonese" for deads instead of "civilians").

Why did you reverted this change? Thanks.

Please join discussions before editing

Please refrain from editing until you read the talk pages. Consensus is not as easy as you seem to think. It takes patience and good faith--Cerejota 04:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I have noted to the user that this is a baseless statement, and that my edits were (all?) in line with talk. Tewfik^Talk 04:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Pov tag

Hello Tewfik, I'm sorry but do you think you can remind me what article we are talking about?- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Cite crazy

I believe there is such a thing as too much citation. I did not add anything that asserted an opinion or was not widely acknowledged. The sources for the introductory information is so readily available in every imaginable way that it is virtually indisputable because it is so general in nature, and again, I asserted no opinions. I would hardly call it "research". According to your logic, I should also cite that Beirut is the capital of Lebanon, or that Saudi Arabia is an arab country. That is going too far. I notice that "sliced bread was invented in 1928" does not need a cite. I don't see why the very broad uncontroverted info that I added should. I appreciate your care for the article and I do respect the principle you are trying to defend. However I must disagree with you and believe you are taking one step too far. By the way, what happened to the consensus talk page?--Leaf2001br 02:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I would also note that if for some reason, anything were disputed, someone could add a "citation needed". With all the pages of technically and specifically reported information in the article, I hardly see why you would seek to attack the very general introduction. Much of the more detailed info which I outlined is actually discussed more specifically, and CITED later in the article. Again, I just think you are a little to eager to cite here.--Leaf2001br 02:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Why was my post erased?

I thought I raised good, ligitimate points. I'd understand a reply telling me whether and why my post was unacceptable, but you've basically just erased me out of your page. How come? I thought everyone's entitled to an opinion here.