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Hi there. I haven't looked at the proposal, but thank you in advance for your hard work. I've never done a proposal myself, but in the past whenever I've had technical questions like this, I've simply asked at the help desk (village pump?) and have found the answers quick and helpful. I suspect someone will give a step by step. I think someone unconnected to the discussion needs to lead it though. Let me know how it goes, and thanks again. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Magnolia677. I put it up on the Village Pump. Will let you know how it turns out. Onel5969 (talk) 04:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

02:08:24, 2 February 2015 review of submission by JonnyLDN

• JonnyLDN (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Antonio Erazo Fuentes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for reviewing. The subject in question was a a notable figure in Guatemala politics/economics at the time but unfortunately, aside from his published books, it is very difficult to cite online sources as the period that he was alive/active (late 70s/early80s) was pre-internet and press coverage from the time has not been documented online. Do you have any recommendations? Thanks, JonnyJonnyLDN (talk) 02:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

JonnyLDN (talk) 02:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

While online documentation is easier to verify, documentation does not have to be online. If you use magazine/newspaper/book sources, please use formats as in WP:CIT. Let me know when you do, and I'll be more than happy to take a look at it. Onel5969 (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Rams

When the Rams were in Los Angeles and Anaheim, they were the Los Angeles Rams. That may be a bit difficult for you to understand, but unless you have a good reason for reverting my edits I must ask you to refrain from doing so. Los Angeles Rams redirects to History of the Los Angeles Rams, which is 100% in compliance with Wikipedia's NFL guidelines. --CASportsFan (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

First off, might I suggest you read WP:CIVIL. I have no issue with you changing the wikilink to History of the Los Angeles Rams, but if that's what you intend, might I also suggest that's what you do. Rather than editing it to a redirect, which is not in keeping with proper Wiki editing. Onel5969 (talk) 03:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

15:20, 31 January 2015 review of submission by Timoluege

• Timoluege (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Nakuru County Peace Accord (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there! First, please let me say that I very much appreciate the time you took to to review the submission. I'll be happy to correct the issues. The paraphrase issue you mentioned is understood, but I'm not clear about your comments about NPOV. Would you mind giving me one or two examples from the article where you see that issue so that it will be easier for me to correct? At the moment I'm a bit flummoxed because there was nobody who was really against the peace treaty so it's difficult to find an opposing point of view. Or are you more referring to words like "spearheaded" or sentences like "This led to a system that would entrench and enrich the 'in-group' of the day, and establish barriers to access for the 'out-groups'." It's really not clear to me. Thanks! (Timoluege (talk) 08:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC))

Hi Timoluege - you hit the nail on the head. Sentences like those, and "The accord served as a firm political commitment ...", and "The British colonial influence left two painful legacies ..." frame the subject from a certain perspective. The article is very close, nice job so far. Onel5969 (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Onel5969! Appreciate the clarification! (Timoluege (talk) 09:22, 3 February 2015 (UTC))

11:13:30, 2 February 2015 review of submission by MuayThaiInfo

• MuayThaiInfo (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Farnam Mirzai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I'm wondering what is needed to get this page up and running. Mr. Farnam Mirzai is considered to be one of the greatest trainers in SE Asia and is currently working with s fighters in the biggest organizations.

I've seen other fighters with less experience and less influence with wikipedia pages so I don't understand why Farnam was rejected.

I have cleaned up the page a little bit and added some information but if there is anything else needed could you please advise me because I don't know what it is that you need.

Thank you,

MuayThaiInfo (talk) 11:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi MuayThaiInfo - that may be true, but the references don't show his significance. The first is an interview, which means that it's a primary source... Wikipedia likes secondary, independent sources. The second is to a wikipage, which isn't a valid reference at all. The third is to YouTube, which is not a reliable source. The fourth is merely mentioning him, while the fifth mentions him only tangentially, it's really about another fighter, which is the same for the sixth. The seventh is an ad, which is completely unreliable. Take a look at WP:RS to see what classifies as a reliable and independent article. Your first reference, would qualify if it was an article, not an interview. #'s 4, 5 and 6 would qualify, but they don't talk about the subject in a significant way. I hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 13:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

11:56:44, 2 February 2015 review of submission by Photoloop

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  • Draft:Philip Kapneck (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Photoloop (talk) 11:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Onel5969, Thank you for reviewing my first submission. I understand that you want to see more references. The problem with more references is that they were before the internet and Maryland state archives are not electronic or on the web. I will be calling the Maryland State Archives today or tomorrow, to see what I can find. Ambassador Kapneck was the first State Trade Ambassador, as far as I know, so this is important, and he is also the longest-service Trade Ambassador. The big problem with references is that he has been very quiet, not giving interviews over the years, he said it was because when he speaks, it is as though the Governor was speaking, so he almost never speaks to the press. Obviously, there were appointments and reappointments over the years. This is why I will call the State Archives.

Even if I am able to find those, they will be printed documents. Please can you give me some advice on how I can handle the references that Wikipedia needs, to tell this story? There are a few more stories and references to those, such as the time that Princess Anne came to the US with Prince Charles and met Mr. Kapneck. There were print stories about that, and Google has those :

Princess Escapes Newsmen

Photoloop (talk) 11:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Photoloop - Hi. Sources do not have to be web searchable. Check out WP:RS for what qualifies as an independent reliable source. You can find out about referencing also at WP:REFB, and about how to format citations at WP:CIT. BTW, for notability purposes, interviews are not appropriate, as they are primary sources. I hope this helps. Don't hesitate to ask any other questions you may have. Onel5969 (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

17:15:44, 2 February 2015 review of submission by Dimatree1978

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  • Draft:Natalia Iyudin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi. I'm the author of the article Natalia Iyudin. The article has been flagged for speedy deletion by you because of an alleged copyright infringement. That is incorrect. Your Hollywood pro used the unpublished version on my Wikipedia article with my permission. I wrote them both and am the copyright holder. There was NO copyright infringement. Please do not delete the article but take steps to rectify this.

Dimatree1978 (talk) 17:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Dimatree1978 - Thanks for that information. Please put the information on the talk page of the article by clicking "Contest this speedy deletion". I am unsure of the exact process for a case like this. Because the info appears in another source, and doesn't cite Wikipedia as its source (IMDB doesn't reference any sources), I don't know if just simply taking your word is correct. I'm sure there's a process for it, I just don't know it. But if you put this information on the article's talk page, someone who has more knowledge than I can take care of it. Onel5969 (talk) 17:23, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 17:43:28, 2 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by 107.107.62.183

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  • User:Dimatree1978 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, thanks for the info. Unfortunaly, the page is blanked now because of the copyright notice. I can't contest it; the page is gone. What do I do now?

107.107.62.183 (talk) 17:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Dimatree1978 - Just because it's blanked, doesn't mean it's gone. Click on the link which I suggested above, and explain it. But do it soon. I've left a comment there, so that an admin will know that you are going to comment. Onel5969 (talk) 17:54, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

09:28:31, 3 February 2015 review of submission by MuayThaiInfo

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  • Draft:Farnam Mirzai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi again, I couldn't figure out how to reply to your answer so I just wrote a new one and pasted your answer. If there is another way of doing thing then please inform me so I can do it correctly in the future

"Hi MuayThaiInfo - that may be true, but the references don't show his significance. The first is an interview, which means that it's a primary source... Wikipedia likes secondary, independent sources. The second is to a wikipage, which isn't a valid reference at all. The third is to YouTube, which is not a reliable source. The fourth is merely mentioning him, while the fifth mentions him only tangentially, it's really about another fighter, which is the same for the sixth. The seventh is an ad, which is completely unreliable. Take a look at WP:RS to see what classifies as a reliable and independent article. Your first reference, would qualify if it was an article, not an interview. #'s 4, 5 and 6 would qualify, but they don't talk about the subject in a significant way. I hope this helps"

First of all I think I have to mention that in the fight game (excluding Olympic sports and Boxing) most information is shared via interviews and often through facebook (events, seminars, ranking etc) and since I knew that you do not take facebook as a source I didn't add those. I think I might have named links incorrectly which might have been a bit confusing but I'm going to try to sort it out.

Link 2. You mention that a wikipage isn't a valid reference at all which I find odd since this is Wikipedia but there is no international keeper of fight records for Muay Thai and Kickboxing. Wikipedia is used for that and Farnams opponent (Shane Campbell) already had a wikipage which also mentions Farnman so I thought would be legit.

Link 3. Could you please advise how to offer video proof without using youtube? I used this link because it clearly shows the TV channel logo and you can hear the commentators but if there is another way please inform me.

Link 4. This link is in Swedish but it is all about Farnam and mentions him as one of the best and most merited fighters from Sweden.

Link 5-6 (now 6-7). Both articles are about other teams/fighters with Farnam mentioned as a trainer. This is in the "Training and Coaching" section so I find it very valid. It's no longer about Farnam as a fighter but him as a coach.

Link 7 (now 8). I might have labeled it wrong calling it "Tv-spot". This is not an ad. It is a pre-fight Tv show. It's like a documentary following the fighters similar to UFC road to the octagon.

I had a couple of links that I didn't know where to add but I have now added one (Now Link 5) which is an article about foreign fighters and trainers in China with Farnam being the subject for foreign trainer.

I also have access to newspaper with articles about Farnam in Thai but I would have to scan and upload them to some website and I don't know if that would be accepted as a source.

Thank you again for taking your time, I hope I was able to provide enough explanation to why there are mainly interview sources.

MuayThaiInfo (talk) 09:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Naayak

Would you like to give Naayak a thorough copy edit, as it awaits a GAR soon. If interested, please let me know. But one thing, the female leads Kajal Aggarwal and Amala Paul are referred by their mononyms Kajal and Amala respectively and thus please keep that in mind if you want to give it a c/e. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Pavanjandhyala - Sure thing. It'll take a few days. Hopefully shorter than the last one! Onel5969 (talk) 13:22, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Pombo Musical

Hi Onel, I'm Luis Nuñez. Can you help me with my request of the Guild of Copy Editors ----> Pombo Musical. You helped me with Lágrimas Cálidas, is that my english isn't very very well, hope that you could help me, thank you for your attention, hope you are OK. Greetings from Colombia. Luis Nuñez (talk) 16:35, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Luisnh1210 - Sure thing. Will let you know when it is completed. Onel5969 (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Request on 01:55:14, 4 February 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by OpenMind

• OpenMind (talk · contribs)
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Dear Onel5969,

Thank you for reviewing this Wikipedia entry. Over the past week I have diligently reviewed the notability and referencing guidelines, and have significantly updated the entry so that it features much more robust references and citations.

When you have a moment I would very much appreciate you taking a look at the new version which has the following new improvements:

1) Public endorsements by extremely notable and world-renowned individuals - Robert Downey Jr. (newly cited in The Times of India as well as GoGoMix) and Sting (newly cited at The Omega Institute for Holistic Studies and in the online outlet The Meta Arts Magazine).

2) New public endorsements by notable peers in the field - Rob Brezsny (cited in The Village Voice) and April Kent (cited in a Penguin Group published book).

3) New interviews a) with a notable peer - founder of All Music Guide, Michael Erlewine - and b) in the online outlet The Meta Arts Magazine.

4) New citations from educational institutions - The Omega Institute for Holistic Studies and The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

5) Robust and new citations from notable major media outlets - The Los Angeles Times, Esquire, O, The Oprah Magazine, The Times of India, The News and Observer, and The Village Voice.

I truly appreciate your wikipedia wisdom and expertise on this, and thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

Best, OpenMind 01:55, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi OpenMind - It's almost there. I made some slight format corrections, and added a tag where a citation is definitely needed. Celebrity endorsements are worthless (unless they are speaking about something they are well-known for: like Sting on music or aids in Africa), I would cut them. I think the other additions prove his notability. Nice job. If you resubmit it, I'll move it to the mainspace, just let me know when you do. Onel5969 (talk) 13:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969 - Wow, you move fast! Thank you so much for being a fantastic editor - pushing me to do my best, and making the article stronger because of it. I've cut the celebrity endorsements (although that's painful, I like them!) and added the citations as requested. I also revamped the other book citations so that they are all in the same "cite book" format. Please let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to adjust. I think it looks really good and solid. Once I get the go-ahead from you, I'll happily resubmit it. Thanks again so much Onel5969! OpenMind 16:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi OpenMind - Looks okay. Resubmit it and let me know and I'll approve it. Also, just so you know, I "ping" you when I respond to a message you leave me on my talk page, so that you'll know I've responded (if you haven't checked "watch this page"). But there's no reason for you to ping an editor on their own talk page, because they are automatically alerted. Onel5969 (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969 - Excellent. I just resubmitted the article, and thank you once again for your editorial support and expertise. Best, OpenMind 00:19, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969 - Thanks again for your help. I had one last question. At the bottom of the page is listed the following - Warning: Default sort key "Forrest, Steven" overrides earlier default sort key "Forrest, Steven (astrologer)". Do we need to do something to remove that warning? OpenMind 14:21, 5 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OpenMind (talk • contribs)

Also meant to add that there was an incorrect indirect for Steven Forrest (from a band called Placebo) that I requested be deleted via RfD. If I search wikipedia for Steven Forrest only the redirct page comes up. Perhaps a disambiguation page is needed? OpenMind 14:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OpenMind (talk • contribs)

Hi OpenMind - there were two persondata templates at the bottom of the page. I removed one, so the warning is now gone. Regarding the redirect, you did absolutely the correct thing. If the redirect is deleted, you should rename your page simply Steven Forrest, as he would be the only article by that name. I'll keep an eye on it. A Dab (disambiguation) isn't really appropriate in this instance, since there are really no other entries for Steven Forrest. If that band member had his own page, and if he was truly not a major star (e.g. Paul McCartney), than the proper moves would be to rename that person's page, Steven Forrest (musician), leave your page alone, and create a dab. I hope this all makes sense to you. Onel5969 (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

03:14:19, 4 February 2015 review of submission by Jordan28jordan1

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  • Draft:Noriko Mizuta (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear Wiki Reviewer,

I have added five sources and clarified details on further sources.

I wonder, is the fact that she has written and published close to 20 volumes of scholarship and poetry from major publishers in Japan and the U.S. not enough to justify her presence on Wikipedia? She has an extensive page in the Japanese wiki as well.

Should I be documenting the books that she has published in more detail? Surely, wiki wouldn't be challenging the existence of these volumes, or so I would imagine.

Given her contributions to literature and academia on a global scale (as recognized by multiple international awards from major institutions), I believe she should be given further consideration. If my documentation is inadequate, I can continue working to show this.

Any further advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much for your time, Jordan

Jordan28jordan1 (talk) 03:14, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jordan28jordan1 - In answer to your first question, in a word - no. Just because someone has a body of work, does not make that work notable, especially in today's age of self-publication and boutique publishers. This is a blp (biography of a living person), and so a high degree of support is needed for any assertion made in the article. With the current references, this a borderline case of notability, but I would probably approve it. However, since it is a blp, it needs much more documentation, for instance, each of the awards needs a citation, as well as the other facts in that section. The Biography section needs many more citations. The 2 works sections, should provide a link (does this person have a webpage which lists them? - that would do). You don't need to cite each individual book, but since you don't have the isbn numbers, you should prove they exist. I hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 13:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

04:57:05, 4 February 2015 review of submission by CapitalStylist

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  • Draft:Spey Co. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there! And thanks for reviewing my article on Spey. I am a stylist and personal shopper in DC, and this is my first Wikipedia article. Excited to get started! I corrected the issues pointed out in the review and wanted any feedback you may have on improving the article further. The company is new so there is not a lot out there, but I was able to find some pretty good sources. Any other tips? I think some imagery would help. CapitalStylist (talk) 04:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

CapitalStylist (talk) 04:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi CapitalStylist - Nice job on getting rid of the copyvio issue. Yes, images are always nice, if they add to the article. The issue you will most likely run into is, again, copyright. All pics have to be free to use and edit commercially. WP:FIT is a good place to start to figure out how to find suitable images. Once you find them, you save them to your drive, then use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, which has a link on the left tab of your screen, to upload them.

The article, however, currently suffers from two issues: [[WP:NCORP|Notability and sounding like an advertisement. Both of those issues will prevent the article from making it to the mainspace. The advert issue means that the article appears to be selling the company, rather than simply providing information about it. A perfect example of this is the Military section. The first sentence, gives information, the second offers a selling point based on that information. That is easily corrected through editing. The notability issue might be more difficult, especially since the company is so young. While your article is well cited for the underlying facts, not a single one of those citations goes towards establishing the notability of the company. The first line in guideline for corporate notability reads: "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources." So, any source which has ties to the company (e.g. spey.com) is allright to substantiate a claim in the article, but cannot be used to prove notability, since it is not independent. Interviews with principles of the article (the CEO, etc), are primary sources, not second, and therefore have the same issue. This leaves 2 citations. The Washingtonian cite is user submitted, therefore not reliable. The K-Street article reads like a press release, and since it included promotional sale data, it has to be considered suspect.

You need to find articles about Spey in independent sources, which are not interviews, press releases, or user blogs. I've been a bit lengthy here, but I hope you find it helpful. Onel5969 (talk) 21:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

17:11, 24 January 2015‎ review of submission by Drgonzo 1972

Hello--

Thanks for reviewing my article; could you explain what you mean by "This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article"? I didn't get a reply from the first two reviewers that rejected the submission, and when I ask for advice from the forums the response is basically "I don't know why the last reviewer felt that way, I certainly don't see an issue with the tone or style of your submission; you should just resubmit and let another reviewer look at it, then you should be fine."

But since this is now the third time I've gotten that same statement, verbatim, I'd like to request a little more info, please. Also, there seems to be some issue with my sources not being independent, reliable, or published; can you give more info on that? Of the 17 different references included in the submission, none are from Doppler Studios (the subject of the article) or any entity associated with them; several are from sources that have been established for longer than Wikipedia has been around (news organizations like CNN, and many print publications); all have been published. I wonder if because so many of them refer to Doppler Studios in their headlines, that someone is mistaking those for articles written or published by Doppler Studios?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks much!

--Stephen Drgonzo 1972 (talk) 18:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thank you for your assistance with my first article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Edwards_Center_Inc. you declined it but have offered me exact directions on how to improve it for resubmission. Your help is so appreciated! Bascovdr (talk) 21:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Re-review request

Hi, I've updated references for: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:International_Piano_Competition_for_Outstanding_Amateurs

There are now 6 references from different sources (magazines and websites)

Please review!