User talk:Spider Jerusalem

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Royal descendents.

Stuart blood only made its way into America through the Calverts of Maryland, right? When and how did Tudor blood on its own make its way here, or is it all through the Stuarts? What about the Suffolks? It is true that all British alive today have Plantagenet and Stewart blood, but what about Tudor and Stuart? Only the upper class minority has Hanoverian and Windsorian blood, right? Furthermore, don't people with feudal origins specific in their family to fiefdoms have likelier chances of genetic relations with the lords of those lands? This is counting on before absentee landlordism and rent practices, right? I know that the Palatine Germans came in numbers, but what was their relation to the rest of our Anglo-world? Does Richard of Cornwall have anything to do with their presence, or just Elizabeth Stuart and Prince Rupert (or Anne of Kleves or the Orange-Nassau house)? Could you tell me anything about the Breton contribution to the Battle of Hastings and the Breton landowners in England after 1066? I'm looking for info about their lordships and honours. IP Address 07:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I meant that the difference between being descended from a Stewart is just a Scottish monarch, whereas being a scion of the Stuarts makes one descended from a British monarch. When I am considering all Britons descended from them, I am going all the way back to Robert II of Scotland and counting all their bastards since then and before King James I/VI. Or if one combines the two branches, then one gets many non-royal nobles and share a Lennox ancestor with the British Stuarts. Presidential candidate Howard Dean of Vermont has Ludovic Stuart as an ancestor but Dean's recent ancestral families are not as illustrious as some of my own, which leads me to consider that I might have a closer relationship to the monarchy than he. When I was talking about close familial relations with feudal lords, I meant in a way that one was tied to the lordship and his house. Or if not that, is it true that we usually bear the political stripes of our old feudal lords? Do we not pass them down to our children as our parents have done to us, urbanites descended from mediaeval burghers and country folk from the gentry etc? I was thinking that depending on where one was born at a particular time period, one would fight on the Lancastrian or Yorkist side, or fight on the Royal or Parliament side, or if one was a tenant of the Stuarts they might support them over the Hanoverians etc. I have noble ancestors involved in the Virginia Company, other parallel descendents were Viceroys of India and one UK PM at least (misc government offices held) and another became baronets in Ulster under Charles the First--these are rather contemporary. I have discovered that my paternal line goes to Brittany from the Conquest, but none with my father's surname have held any political office until a few years ago in County Durham (in the Labour Party; not our original county, which was Richmondshire). I find it interesting that my paternal family has been a nexus for noble and gentry families via marriages, but doing my homework takes me back to the Conquest era in which better detailed information is found. Being an American of recent British, Irish and Canadian French (with original colonist) origins makes me tied to idealism as well as our particular British institutions and I am divided in spirit. IP Address 16:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)