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It was never stated that female Saiyans cannot go SSJ or higher, in fact they probably can, however both awnsers have been said here. Both Pan and Bulla (Bra) never had the motivation to become one and Akira Toriyama did not know how to make female SSJ look good, in fact, he also had the problem with regular female saiyans, since none have appeared. The female saiyans you get to see in flashbacks and in the bardock special, like Fasha, are not cannon, created by TOEI and not by Akira Toriyama. |
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Just for the good record, Akira Toriyama did not create GT, he only helped a little with some character designs. |
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Revision as of 05:29, 2 August 2006
Created an archive to SSJ discussion
Since the talk page was getting so long. If you would like to continue past conversations or have something to discuss about the current article, please do so below. Voice of Treason 18:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Female Super Saiyans
Throughout all of the Dragonball series, GT is the only one with a female (Pan) who's even 1/4 saiyan. I want to know why females can't go super saiyan. I heard that Akira had a hard time making them look like SSJs or something like that and when I tried to picture Pan as a SSJ, it ended up looking like an ordinary blond girl (just with spiky hair.) --Sasuke-kun27 21:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Does it really matter? KojiDude (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not really. But it wouldn't hurt to point it out and ask. --Sasuke-kun27 21:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I guess Toriyama never drew one, seeing as how there isn't a single cannon female Saiyan that plays a big role in DBZ, nor is there a non cannon one with the right power or motivation to reach it. KojiDude (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- pan probably isn't strong enough.--Geterdone 12:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
It was never stated that female Saiyans cannot go SSJ or higher, in fact they probably can, however both awnsers have been said here. Both Pan and Bulla (Bra) never had the motivation to become one and Akira Toriyama did not know how to make female SSJ look good, in fact, he also had the problem with regular female saiyans, since none have appeared. The female saiyans you get to see in flashbacks and in the bardock special, like Fasha, are not cannon, created by TOEI and not by Akira Toriyama. Just for the good record, Akira Toriyama did not create GT, he only helped a little with some character designs.
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i know dbaf is just a hoax or fan art whatever but can anyone tell me where are pics of anything higher than than ss10?
- No, because there is no SS10. Try asking for your fanart on a forum or something.
- then where is ss10 fan art?--Geterdone 20:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Vegeto SS2
Why is he still listed as an SS even after I changed it? Majin Vegeta didn't have the electricity with him half the time. He was an SS2. So is Vegeto.
That's Majin Vegeta with no electricty. He was an SS2 the whole time and never powered down.- indianhitman 7/29/2006
- Majin Vegeta was SSJ at that time. He didn't go ssj2 until he started the fight with Goku. KojiDude (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- None of which has anything to do with Vegetto. Vegetto can not be determined to be SSJ1 or SSJ2, but evidence points to him using SSJ1. See the archives where this is discussed in-depth.
- When Goku and Majin Vegeta fought, their electricity was always there, wether they were resting or talking or fighting. Same goes for Gohan, his electricity was always there, no matter how much power he was exerting. Vegetto was SSJ1.--KojiDude (talk) 23:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
That page Majin Vegeta as electricity
That page he doesn't.
No electricty
Majin Vegeta was always an SS2. His power had been unlocked and as long as He had that M on his head he was an SS2. He can never power down from that state.
Now SS has no electricity and SS2 has electricity. Vegeto had electricity. How can all evidence put Vegeto as SS, when SS doesn't have electricity.
No electricity. he was fighting.
"None of which has anything to do with Vegetto."
Yes it does. They were both SS2.
Gohan doesn't always have his electricity either.
Anyway saying that an SS2 always has electricity is like saying that an SS always has a glow. They aren't always there. But when an SS has electricty, it means that they are SS2. SS does not have eletricity. I don't know how you can keep arguing against this. I'm not going to post anything else.- indianhitman, 29/7/06
- None of those pictures are right. They don't show Majin Vegeta. He didn't go SSJ2 until he began the fight with Goku, at that point, no matter what they were doing, relaxing or fighting, they had electricity. Vegetto had it for one brief moment on one page. He wasn't SSJ2.--KojiDude (talk) 03:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Edit: As for Gohan, every page besides that one he has the electricity. By giving that link, you proved yourself wrong. Look a little more before you post things like this, please. (Not meant to be offensive)--KojiDude (talk) 03:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume35/Db35ch02/350212.gif http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume35/Db35ch02/350213.gif
Gohan no electricity.
Vegeta was Majin. We know this because of the M on his head. He can not power down from the SS2. Vegeto had it at that point. Which means that he was at SS2. The rest of the fight he may have been SS. But he definilty went SS2. Proof the electricity.- indianhitman
- The electricity obviousley must go away when the SSJ2 uses up alot of power. he first Gohan pic was just a drawing error. Majin Vegeta could power down if he wanted to, but there was no need. Majin Vegeta was SSJ until he fought Goku. Vegetto wasn't SSJ2 if he had electricity for ONE panel on ONE page. There are only a few instances where Gohan has no electricity, and those are when light and wind from auras/attacks are around, which is logical. Majin Vegeta and Goku always had electricity, even when they were calmly talking and getting out Senzu. Vegetto was NOT SSJ2.--KojiDude (talk) 06:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Ultra Super Saiyan
Why does this name keep coming up? It's a fan name! There are two known forms that are between the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 form. People keep calling them Ultra Super Saiyan 1 and Ultra Super Saiyan 2 or Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan. All wrong names.
The first should only be called Super Saiyan 2nd Grade since such a name comes closest to the Japanese term for the form, namely Super Saiyan Dai Ni dankai.
The second should only be called Super Saiyan 3rd Grade since such a name comes closest to the Japanese term for the form, namely Super Saiyan Dai San Dankai.
The most worst name for Super Saiyan 2nd Grade, would be Ascended Super Saiyan, since the true Acended Super Saiyan is in fact Super Saiyan 2. Goku and Vegeta wanted to reach a higher SSJ form during the Androids/Cell arc. They wanted to experience the boost in power, speed and agility all over again, but now from the base of Super Saiyan, meaning their goal was Super Saiyan 2. Super Saiyan 2nd Grade and Super Saiyan 3rd Grade are try-outs of becoming a Super Saiyan 2, thus making Super Saiyan 2, the true ascended Saiyan like Goku also states.
Core4Sure
- The Japanese term for the forms is just "Beyond SSJ". I don't know where you got those names, but they are never used in the anime or manga. There is one name for both stages, and if we're going to go by the original names it would have to be "Beyond Super Saiyajin". 2nd Grade and 3rd Grade are as much fan names as Ultra and Ascended. There is no "true ascended super saiyan" since that term comes from the FUNimation dub, which means absolutelt nothing in terms of validity. These are the generally accepted names that are being used in this article. Deal with it.
- Another thing to think about on this subject, is that Ascended and Ultra are the most commonly used names in america, and this is the English Wikipedia. Both the names are given, anyway, so it's not really a problem.--KojiDude (talk) 00:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I guess what KojiDude says is true, nevertheless as to awnser to Daishokaioshin i got my information from Daizenshuu EX, which gives a pretty good explanation:
The USSJ stages (two of them) would each be considered, as Goku puts it in the original Japanese dialogue, "ichi-dankai no henshin" ("transformations of the first stage"). However, these two USSJ stages are thought of by Vegeta and Trunks as "Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ni-dankai" and "Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai san-dankai" ("stage 2 / stage 3 of Super Saiyan," with "ni" and "san" meaning "two" and "three," respectively) Technically, these descriptions would probably better fit the actual SSJ2 and SSJ3, but we'll use them here as Vegeta & Trunks would.
Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ichi-dankai (the normal Super Saiyan, or SSJ1)
Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ni-dankai (USSJ 1; the second stage of SSJ1)
Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai san-dankai (USSJ 2; the third stage of SSJ1)
Since they say it could be confused with SSJ2 and SSJ3, the name 2nd and 3rd grade would apply better, but anyway as Kojidude said there both listed, so I guess it's not a problem.. Core4Sure