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Can everyone stay away from my talk page and put all your concerns on the talk page of the article, my talk page is getting spammed.

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+Can everyone stay away from my talk page and put all your concerns on the talk page of the article, my talk page is getting spammed.
-== Please read ==
-Please note that any more canvassing like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pavanjandhyala&diff=prev&oldid=673274214 this] or any other disruptive edits and I will propose that you be topic banned. Wikipedia is not the place to fight your ethnic battles. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 12:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-@[[User:NeilN|] You have not replied to my queries on your talk page and instead gave me a warning that, I admit I have done some Canvassing, and I apologize for the same and thank you for not banning me as yet, I can assure you I would not do so in future. But I started to do so after the User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom did canvassing please see his logs.
-I had to invite people to participate, by the way FYI: none of the users I requested to participate has put a support comment, so I guess it did not matter anyways.
-Now, I want you to understand what I wrote on your talk page, get to understand the full picture of the scenario, before taking any action, I still insist your work as an Administrator needs improvement especially for taking action without understanding what is happening .
-I assure I am not personally attacking you. I have nothing against you, but i have problems with your work. I have never called you any bad language, I commented on your work as an adminstrator and never commented about NeilN as a person, I hope you can see the difference which the other user on your talk page could not see. I will respect you as a person but your actions on the article with out getting a full understanding of the article is not something I am sure you should be proud of.
-[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 17:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:I am completely confident my actions in this matter were correct and I understand what is happening and what some editors are attempting to do. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 17:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:{{tps}} In English anyway, describing someone as "Incapable/incompetent" is an ''[[ad hominem]]'' attack {{ndash}} a comment upon the person as much or more than their work.  It implies not that you disagree with their actions and/or decisions, but that you think they '''lack the ability''' to make competent decisions or take appropriate action.  You should tread very carefully if you take that path.  <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">[[User:General Ization|<font color="#006633">General <i>Ization</i></font>]]</span> <sup>''[[User talk:General Ization|<font color="#000666">Talk  </font>]] ''</sup> 17:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:::I offer a profuse apology for calling NeilN in competent, In this case my actions were incompetent as I did not know the full scenario of his past records and based my comment on just one of his edits. I was very disturbed and got very emotional in the process ended up using strong terms, I think its the need for attention towards injustice happening towards the article which made me take the drastic step to call someone terms like incompetent,  I deeply regret my actions and I am shameful of them. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 17:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:: @[[User:NeilN]]That statement of your's sure gives me some confidence, were you able to read sections which I pointed out to you along with rest of the talk page to get to understand what's happening? I hope you will take the right action in preventing the article from being represented in a biased way. Thanks! [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 17:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:::I see a lot of insults and ignoring of what experienced editors are saying. You ''cannot'' have a deep emotional attachment to the topic you're editing. What [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say is the only thing that matters. If you want people to hear you, propose the exact change you want to make in a concise manner and provide good quality sources that back up your change. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 17:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-::::In a nutshell what I am trying to do on the article is that all the Tamil films section, was supposed to be represented as multiple languages like Tamil, Telugu, Hindi. But traditionally they were represented as Tamil only.
-And everyone accepted this way of editing as the movies came Tamil film industry/Kollywood. (or Tamil language)
-But now when it comes to Telugu film Baahubali the Tamil guys want to represent it as Tamil and Telugu, though it is from the Telugu film industry and the film released in Tamil, Telugu and Hindi as the source says.
-These films were released in multiple languages and made money in all the languages.
-Please see these two sources which speak of Baahubali as a Telugu film which is from hyderabad based Telugu film indutry:
-For your reference I am providing only internationally known sources and not local sources which are innumerablly available, see talk page for list of other sources.
-*http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33503057
-*http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road
-::::Atleast for the past 5 years the Tamil films are represented as Tamil only though they released in multiple languages. Now why should baahubali be represented in multiple languages ? [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 18:34, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-Please see this where the information is present with solid sources stating that these films are made in multiple languages yet represented as only one language:
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information
-[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 18:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:Typically, big films are ''dubbed'' in multiple languages, which we do not include in infoboxes; they are seldom ''shot'' in other languages! There is a difference between dubbed versions and reshot versions. For eg: ''Naan Ee'' is '''not''' a dubbed version of ''[[Eega]]'', but a shot version. Similarly, the Tamil version of ''Baahubali'' is also shot and not dubbed from Telugu. [[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]] ([[User talk:Kailash29792|talk]]) 18:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-Dubbing or releasing in different languages I do not mind what you like to call it, but I am saying that this article is about Highest grossing films and if the films grossed in multiple languages and still represented only in one language (the original film industry it was originated from) the same should be followed with Baahubali.  Why would so may sources say that the film is a Telugu film though it released in multiple languages ? [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 18:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-@[[User:NeilN]] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 19:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-@[[User:Kailash29792]] By the way see this source by [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road theguardian.com  which clearly mentions that the film is a Telugu movie and was made additionally in Tamil and dubbed into Hindi and malayalam, but clearly states that it is a Telugu Movie.] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober#top|talk]]) 19:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-You can't win against all these Tamil lovers. All we can do is wait until the protections are removed and keep up to the good fight  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/166.171.121.248|166.171.121.248]] ([[User talk:166.171.121.248|talk]]) 21:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:{{u|166.171.121.248}} If your plan is to wait until the page protection is lifted so that you can carry out disruptive POV edits, that plan will not come to fruition. The resolution of this needs to happen on the talk page. Marchoctober's edits [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baahubali%3A_The_Beginning&type=revision&diff=673680893&oldid=673672304 here] were contrary to consensus. You don't get to recategorize a movie simply because it doesn't suit your personal worldview. The fact that you are calling other editors "Tamil lovers" as opposed to "editors with neutral opinions who are acknowledging published sources" is telling of your POV. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 22:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-::{{ping|Cyphoidbomb}} I have blocked the IP for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:166.170.51.53&oldid=673538625 block evasion]. They've been engaging in ethnic bashing for a few days now. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 23:40, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
-:::I don't give a damn about all those sources cited. When the director himself admits that this was made a bilingual in Telugu and Tamil cinema "right from the start" [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ here]. Even the writer of the film says that this film is not confined to one industry though made as a bilingual [http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional/baahubali-doesn-t-belong-to-any-one-industry-vijayendra-prasad/article1-1372031.aspx here] Shouldn't the intentions of the makers be reflected in the article in a suitable way? I can update the articles using these sources straightaway, but i am surely [[Wikipedia:Be bold|not reckless]] like you who goes against the consensus and disruptively edits the articles. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 01:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)