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What is our source that Herod died in March / April - the only info on this I could find was another wiki article (and that one didn't reference this). [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 09:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
What is our source that Herod died in March / April - the only info on this I could find was another wiki article (and that one didn't reference this). [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 09:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146;query=whiston%20chapter%3D%23223;layout=;loc=17.206 Antiquities 17.188] |
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17.190 When he had done these things, he died, the fifth day after he had caused Antipater to be slain; having reigned, since he had procured Antigonus to be slain, thirty-four years; but since he had been declared king by the Romans, thirty-seven. Translator's Note: These numbers of years for Herod's reign, 34 and 37, are the very same with those, Of the War, B. I. ch. 33. sect. 8, and are among the principal chronological characters belonging to the reign or death of Herod. See Harm. p. 150--155. |
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[http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146;query=whiston%20chapter%3D%23221;layout=;loc=17.182 Antiquities 17.146] |
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17.167 And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon. Translator's Note: This eclipse of the moon (which is the only eclipse of either of the luminaries mentioned by our Josephus in any of his writings) is of the greatest consequence for the determination of the time for the death of Herod and Antipater, and for the birth and entire chronology of Jesus Christ. It happened March 13th, in the year of the Julian period 4710, and the 4th year before the Christian era. See its calculation by the rules of astronomy, at the end of the Astronomical Lectures, edit. Lat. p. 451, 452. |
Revision as of 17:58, 3 August 2006
Creation
Greetings,
I created this article out of a perceived need. This is specifically to explain the problems surrounding the census of Quirinius as described by Luke, Josephus, and also the relation to the Gospel of Matthew. Both the Chronology of Jesus and several other pages on Jesus, as well as the Gospels, took up this matter piecemeal and briefly. This, I think, it a helpful outlet for them. Lostcaesar 01:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Great article! You think we could move it to just Census of Quirinius?--Andrew c 02:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Andrew - yes I think the title is poor, this being my first article creation and all. Lostcaesar 08:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Did the census include Syria? I personally don't know, so I'm asking. Josephus would be the source.
Nevermind, answered my own question:
HOW CYRENIUS WAS SENT BY CAESAR TO MAKE A TAXATION OF SYRIA AND JUDEA; AND HOW COPONIUS WAS SENT TO BE PROCURATOR OF JUDEA; CONCERNING JUDAS OF GALILEE AND CONCERNING THE SECTS THAT WERE AMONG THE JEWS.
Area of needed aid
I translated "proconsul asiam provinciam op… divi augusti iterum syriam" myself, but I could use someone who is expert in reading inscriptions to check this out; inscription, with their missing letters and shorthand script at notoriously hard to read. Particularly, I wonder if my rendering of asiam as the adjective modifying syriam is a mistake, and if it should just be the noun, meaning Asia Minor; I think there is room for interpretation here but if so I could at least use a scholarly source for this. Lostcaesar 08:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Is there an image of the inscription somewhere? It would help to know how much is missing..."op" could be a lot of things. Adam Bishop 15:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Question
What is our source that Herod died in March / April - the only info on this I could find was another wiki article (and that one didn't reference this). Lostcaesar 09:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
17.190 When he had done these things, he died, the fifth day after he had caused Antipater to be slain; having reigned, since he had procured Antigonus to be slain, thirty-four years; but since he had been declared king by the Romans, thirty-seven. Translator's Note: These numbers of years for Herod's reign, 34 and 37, are the very same with those, Of the War, B. I. ch. 33. sect. 8, and are among the principal chronological characters belonging to the reign or death of Herod. See Harm. p. 150--155.
17.167 And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon. Translator's Note: This eclipse of the moon (which is the only eclipse of either of the luminaries mentioned by our Josephus in any of his writings) is of the greatest consequence for the determination of the time for the death of Herod and Antipater, and for the birth and entire chronology of Jesus Christ. It happened March 13th, in the year of the Julian period 4710, and the 4th year before the Christian era. See its calculation by the rules of astronomy, at the end of the Astronomical Lectures, edit. Lat. p. 451, 452.