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Hello Rofthorax, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to [[Wikipedia]]! I hope you like it here and decide to stay. |
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It appears that you have some beef with me for removing spam. Plain and simple, you're not allowed to insert links to your own website or a website you're affilited with on Wikipedia. ANY user who makes mass additions to articles repeatedly adding one or two websites will be reverted. This is spam. Additionally, I haven't used my CDVF program in months, so your rant about "big clumsy brushes" or whatever isn't even valid. Stop spamming Wikipedia or you may be blocked in accordance with official policy. [[User:CryptoDerk|CryptoDerk]] 14:29, August 18, 2005 (UTC) |
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Wikipedia has many definitions of spam. Since we are on Wikipedia, your definition does not supersede Wikipedia's own. You are being entirely overdefensive here and your arguments make no sense. Not only did you originally assume I used CDVF to find you, but now you are assuming that my pride and joy are in this application? What? The application is nothing more than a proof of concept. An idea I had and coded up in 3 days for fun. It is as much my pride and joy as is a well-cooked meal. Your comments trying to quiz me on Thomas Dolby and such are unnecessary and irrelevant. This will be the last message I leave as I have no time to read through nonsensical rants. [[User:CryptoDerk|CryptoDerk]] 14:16, August 24, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Rhapsody playlists == |
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Rhapsody playlists are not helpful to the large majority of Wikipedia users, so they are not appropriate as [[Wikipedia:External links|external links]]. [[User:DDerby|DDerby]][[User talk:DDerby|<small>(talk)</small>]] 18:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC) |
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I wasn't aware there was a code of conduct for what was relevant for external links. I figured that if external links could go to private sites that focused on certain ideas, such as music, as mine does, it would be relevant to people to come to my site to get a rhapsody playlist for a particular musician. I tried to upload the playlists to Wikipedia, but wikipedia does not provide support for any other media besides wave files and jpeg files.. |
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I do not work for Real/Listen, so though I'm promoting the use of Rhapsody, I'm not doing it for any monitary gain whatsoever, I'm clueless about how to make money. My interest is in music and good technology.. |
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My only interest is in listening to music from the past and hoping that somehow this music could influence the way music is to be made in the future by making it available to others. And the only legal way to do this on wikipedia, currently, is to offer links to Rhapsody playlists. I know that the 10% or less of Linux and Mac users can't really play Rhapsody playlists, nor can any of the non-english speaking impoverished nations of the world, but a good bit of the world of computer users are PC owners, usually in a English speaking continent, with enough money (individually) to purchase software and bits of hardware for their computers. I don't know how my links to Rhapsody playlists could be considered as irrelevant to the majority of wikipedia's users, maybe wikipedia should try getting each wikipedia user to sign a form with all their personal details and create some piecharts, then maybe I would believe you and wikipedia would have a financial support model (that of a market collection/analysis engine for popular information). But I'm sure you meant to say my Rhapsody playlists are only helpful to people who own a license to use Rhapsody on a Windows platform.. Now find me who the majority of Wikipedia users are and I will believe you, otherwise... --[[User:Rofthorax|Rofthorax]] 19:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:I wasn't sure what you were getting at with your comments on my talk page, but to clarify my above comment, most people don't have Rhapsody. No one I know of has Rhapsody. Even if it were fairly popular, generally we try to limit external links to the most useful (I know there are a lot of counterexamples, but this is an ideal, not always what is practiced. However, hopefully the habit of using too many links in articles will be declining). Guidelines to using external links can be found at [[Wikipedia:External links]]. |
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::Well [[Best Buy]] sells it as a part of their newbie music sales package, for starters. If you friends use [[Napster]], let them know that Napster will not tell you what they don't have, Rhapsody does. [[Apple]] changed their [[iTunes]] [[DRM]] format to make it incompatible with Listen/Real's Rhapsody. Over 50% of music I know of (I have 200 CD's in my collection, spanning five decades) is on Rhapsody. Including all of [[Weezer]], [[TMBG]] and the more recently added [[Foghat]] and [[Todd_Rundgren]]. Either your friends are poor, own macs (rhapsody doesn't come on mac because the sound format is Windows WMV not Realaudio), or are file swapping on Kazaa, or you use XM satelite (in which case you would rather wait for your music), or you buy on iTunes which would make you look like a slave to marketing hype and walled gardens (iTunes tunes can be only played by iTunes or iPod's, iPod owners can only buy tunes from iTunes). |
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Also, you said you were trying to influence music distribution. While I too want to see more, easier digital music distribution instead of the outdated current model, Wikipedia shys away from advocacy of causes other than its own, particularly when that advocacy constitutes essentially advocating for the benefit of commercial entities like Rhapsody. |
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:: No I thought I said I want to inspire musicians to make better music.. Kazaa has done well enough for influencing the distribution of music, but it doesn't help in relating the music. Rhapsody does, and its legal.. You realize by constraining Wikipedia to a format you are puting it into a box and saying "it can never be more than this". I understand wikipedian fears of copyright infringement, having a reference to a Rhapsody playlist is not infringement, it is a reference to a legal data format that references music on a legal music distribution site. Also I understand the fear of relevance. The Links are at the bottom along with the links to fan sites that may or may not be relevant anymore.. Wikipedia changes, its not set in stone, its a living Encyclopedia, don't expect that your work on the site is going to contribute that much to the success of the site, because your contributions can be superceded, just as much as mine can. Its like a number of arguing graffitti artists painting over each other's work. How is that a successful and lasting way of representing ones contribution? It uses "[[diff]]", okay, but any [[CMS]] or [[RCS]] can use diffs.. What makes Wikipedia so special? Its a popular venue for a releatively simple piece of technology, people choose to be here to express their views and present them as fact.. But if people go around policing things and saying you can or can't do this, it will lose relevance and will die because people will stop contributing. Really what should be policed is the entrance of advertisements, entries that are advertisements, and cases where people write over other's works. Offering links to commercial sites would limit the the relevance of Wikipedia as some of the subjects in Wikipedia are commercial in nature. Like could you possibly have a article on [[Coke]] if it was not in popular culture? I found a reference to "David and Goliath" which is evidently a brand for offensive shirts. BTW, most of all the hits I get for my Rhapspody Playlists come from Wikipedia, however most of the people that reference my site as a whole (and I do not only make Rhapsody Playlists) ask for it by name (no referrer in the logs, no referrer matching a search engine). Also if you do a search on google for "Rhapsody Playlists", you will find I'm at the top out of 661,000 uses of the same phrase, and it was this way even before I placed references to it from Wikipedia. There has been one commercial site, FIQL, that has been trying to get above my site in the search results, notice they have to pay their way to get to the top. To get a top result on google, you have to have references from popular sites or it must be a favorite destination for googlers (hint: I think the google toolbar has something to do with this). |
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:::The point remains that most people can't use Rhapsody playlists, and Wikipedia tries to use only the most useful, relevant links. If you can make a good argument for these links being highly beneficial to the Wikipedia, you'll probably change my mind - not that my mind by itself is important, it's consensus. To change consensus on including external links, make an argument at [[Wikipedia talk:External links]], or on individual music article talk pages if you prefer an a la carte approach. |
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:::BTW, links from Wikipedia don't affect Google's pagerank, so your site's popularity transcends Wikipedia. --[[User:DDerby|DDerby-]][[User talk:DDerby|<small>(talk)</small>]] 06:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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::::Note, Rhapsody gives everyone and their dog the ability to play 25 songs per month from playlists, after which you buy a subscription or are limited to 30 second sound clips.. HENCE YOUR POINT IS MOOT!! The process of talking about Wikipedian policy looks like pointless bureaucracy, especially since Government employees get paid more. Nah, I will just keep doing things the way I'm already doing them. BTW, I see more pages erected to commercial entities and those are the ones that really ruin wikipedia. The links don't matter that much only to people who like chasing after wind.. Heed my warning, I used to be big into the flame wars of Usenet years before I ever touched wikipedia, you don't want to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=DDerby&offset=0&limit=500 waste your time] talking me down. (PS- I believe Rhapsody has been extended to work from within a browser - java applet? - and the songs can now be downloaded to several hundred mp3 players including the iPods. --[[User:Rofthorax|Rofthorax]] 08:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::: "The Writing show - with Paula B" [[podcast]] interviewed [[Jimmy Wales]] recently, and it didn't seem to me, from what he was saying, what I am doing is a problem. Its just not a popular method of adding value to wikipedia because I'm basically adding hooks for musicians. I would request one to question the verifiability of my work. I'm not providing links to pages of musicians that are not recognized by other resources. The deliverable I'm providing is a playlist that people can download and play with Rhapsody. Rhapsody is verifiable (its one of the largest music sites on the Internet). I reference Rhapsody because I believe it is the best value of any music site on the Internet. Should a better site come about, I would change over and offer playlists from that site. I belive the music site with the best value will be the most popular. Evidently, for some reason, iTunes is more popular, but I would attribute it more to consumer ignorance. I mean 99 cents per downloadable song versus being able to have a huge number of songs to play for 10 dollars a month (25 dollars for three months), and I think the per song cost is about 79 cents. iTunes is cheaper per album. But I personally don't buy albums off Rhapsody (I buy CD's offline), Rhapsody is best if you are using Windows and you want to listen to playlists without having to waste a lot of money buying CD's to approximate the collection. Its like releasing a discophile in a record store. But I have no attachments to Real/Listen, in fact I can tell you of many ways to disable "realplayer" from calling home including the use of [[tcpview]] and [[Zonealarm]] (I have Zonealarm Pro, which will let you kill applications before the can run, disallow per application access to the net and other applications, kill driver libraries and such). |
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If you have more questions about this or anything relating to Wikipedia, I'd be happy to answer them; just leave a message on my talk page. --[[User:DDerby|DDerby-]][[User talk:DDerby|<small>(talk)</small>]] 08:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Anyone can play Rhapsody links now since they came out with the free web version, no software is needed and a user only need click on a playlist link to open a web based player to hear songs in their entirety for free. |
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Very worthwile links when talking about music related entries on Wikipedia. Now readers can actually Listen to full version, high quality streams of what they are reading about. You can talk about Behthoven's "Fur Elise" until you are blue in the face, but actually hearing the composition is unbeatable. |
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-Robert |
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Wow someone agrees with me!! --[[User:Rofthorax|Rofthorax]] 18:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Alias|Wavefront Merger == |
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Hi - just came across your write-up of the Alias|Wavefront merger and found it fascinating. I've been a user of PowerAnimator and Maya since it's first release, yet was unaware of any of this. I wonder if there's any parallels going on with AW being acquired by Kinetix. :) By the way, when I saw your name, I believe we once corresponded or maybe debated in alt.sys.amiga.demos in the early 90's. (I went by Stratohak or Stratohakster in those days) Anyway, just thought I'd say hi. [[User:Rabit|Rabit]] 18:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC) |
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Yeah, I may have gotten story wrong, but as the SNL news program goes "This is News to Me".. |
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I recently purchased Softimage, and I'm not sure if I will use it much, but I'm willing to learn it.. I just can't buy into A/W again and Max is too expensive.. |
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I was the one that told Ton Roosendal that Blender would be the Atomic Bomb early on, having been born in Los Alamos home of the Atomic Bomb, I guess that adds some significance.. But I think it might be contributing to the lowering of the price of these overpriced 3D packages. |
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At least setting apart what is true innovation from what anyone can implement by intuition, of course no normal person could construct a complete 3D package like blender in open source, but I knew it would have eventually. I hope it becomes a platform for students of computer graphics as Linux can be a platform of study for computer science and operating systems design students. When I was in college our professors would complain about the lack of access to operating systems code, pre-linux, because Microsoft Windows was so prevalent (operating systems sources in the curriculm were more about learning obsolete operating systems than about making them). |
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To reply directly to you, yah I'm not one for direct communication between others, I tend to easily get into flame wars.. I think I recall talking to you, I mean the name sounds familiar. I was a huge Amiga zealot in the day.. These days I'm a blender Zealot of sorts. Although I spend more time puting together rhapsody playlists as a hobby because rock music was my first fascination before I ever got into Computers. My first LP was KISS' "Rock And Rollover" at age six. --[[User:Rofthorax|Rofthorax]] 19:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC) |
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FYI, The article has been put up for deletion. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 22:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC) |
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