User talk:SQGibbon

Backgammon

Maybe you are right that it is trivia. By the way - I do not like Hume, but here is the quote from A Treatise of Human Nature Book 1, Section 7: Most fortunately it happens, that since reason is incapable of dispelling these clouds, nature herself suffices to that purpose, and cures me of this philosophical melancholy and delirium, either by relaxing this bent of mind, or by some avocation, and lively impression of my senses, which obliterate all these chimeras. I dine, I play a game of backgammon, I converse, and am merry with my friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sepiolo (talk • contribs) 17:57, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Cowboy Bebop Edit

Hi, I apologize for not citing any sources to support what I wrote. Would it help if I cited the manga and specific examples within the anime series? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleFang (talk • contribs) 21:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Stipe Miocic

It doesn't say "what makes him notable", just "relevant to the subject's notability". Having such an 'ethnic' name and Cro Cop being an MMA legend certainly makes it even more notable. During his last fight it was mentioned at least four times. Also, especially with athletes, ancestry and ethnicity get mentioned more often than not (e.g. Swiss soccer internationals). In the lead, yes. And I've never encountered any edit warring over this. You must admit the rules are somewhat vague. Looking at the article's edit history, your stance is so uncompromising it looks personnal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.244.159 (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

(Response copied from IP's talk page)

Hi, let's go through what MOS:BIO says specifically:

In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.

Using that criteria then we should only mention America. He became notable while as an American living in America.

Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.

And here too what makes him notable is only that he is a professional MMA fighter. If he was not a professional MMA fighter then he would not have an article regardless of the fact that his parents are Croatian. That he is Croatian has contributed nothing to his being notable. It might be part of what makes him popular among certain fans but that's not how Wikipedia determines notability.

The problem that happens throughout Wikipedia and why these guidelines exist is to try to stem the rampant nationalism that plagues Wikipedia. For some people if there is the slightest connection between their home country and a celebrity then they want it mentioned in the lead. This is inappropriate as the leads would become unwieldy (for instance I can trace family roots to France, England, Scotland, Ireland, and Sioux at the very least. That means when I become famous should my article call me French-English-Scottish-Irish-Sioux-American? Not appropriate for the lead). Instead we limit it to just the most basic facts of citizenship at the time of notability. Note, this doesn't mean we don't mention their background elsewhere in the article, just not in the lead. And no, this is nothing personal. I know absolutely nothing about this person or MMA. My entire "job" on Wikipedia is to patrol new changes looking for vandalism and making sure edits are in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. In particular I look for edits that are pushing an agenda like political, religious, nationalistic, etc. These are real problems on Wikipedia. SQGibbon (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

It says 'relevant', not 'what makes him notable'. It's not the same thing. Nationalism? Again you're being too rigorous with your definitions. The rest of your response shows you really are influenced by emotions. If someone was replacing 'American' with 'Croatian', I'd understand. Removing 'of Croatian descent' is simply removing additional (and interesting) information. NOTABLE information which commentators mention often, even usually while INTRODUCING him. He himself is quite vocal about his roots, yet you're making it a personnal mission of yours to delete this? I'm sorry, but you're the one with an 'agenda'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.244.159 (talk) 00:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

For what it's worth, seeing you're appealing on Miocic's talk page, it's not me (User:Zhmr, forgot my password) who you're edit warring with. I've only changed the pronunciation and exchanged (so only one time) 'Croatian-American' (what I found) with 'of Croatian descent'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.255.199 (talk) 10:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Soputa

Sorry to be 8 months late in reply. Soputa was not really a town in the time of WW2, more of a native village. There was no such thing as a "Citizen" of Soputa, nor of any place in Papua-NewGuinea. Natives wre and still are very tribal, there was no notion of citizenship amongthe natives anywhere at that time. While it is true that the article in question was about Soputa, it does mention the epic battles there, but the batles were around the village in the jungle, and McGuinness was working in a casualty clearing station in that jungle. The villagers probably did not know any of the combatants by name on either side, and they probably did not care, most likely they justbwanted all the combatants to go away. That said, a memorial to anyone would not have occured in any mind in Soputa. But the battles were critical to the survival of Soputa, and to New Guinea and therefore Australia. The battles were part of the Kokoda Track campaign which at one point the Japanese were within sight of distant Port Moresby. McGuinness' bravery in refusing to leave his wounded to the barbarity of the Japanese did a lot to maintain the morale of the Australians in that area, and helped keep them fighting because they knew that they would not be abandoned (as did happen elsewhere). He did it again at Eora ridge. I knew McGuiness well when I worked as a doctor in the war veterans hospital in Sydney. He never spoke about his war record nor of his Military Cross. I learned about it all from his colleagues and from patients in the hospital who were looked after by him in New,Guinea. McGuinness was not only a brilliant and dedicated doctor, greatly respected by his medical colleagues, but revered greatly by those he saved, and he helped save Soputa. Cheers Historygypsy (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC) Historygypsy (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Reply from Historygypsy

Hello SQGibbon, so nice of you to reply. Allan McG. died much too young in 1972. Those whom he helped and saved are also long since gone. He reached the rank of Temporary Lt. Colonel. He was the chief physician of Syndey Hospital, Attending Physician of the "Repatriation (War Veterans') General Hospital of Sydney" (now a general teaching hospital) and the Chief Censor (Examiner) of the Royal College of Physicans of Australia and New Zealand. Allan lived and breathed for medicine, his only pass time was gardening. I worked with and for a great many outstanding doctors in Australia, The UK, New Zealand and Canada, but I never met anyone who matched his dedication nor his encyclopedic knowlege of medicine. I guess that he will never be remembered on Wikipedia, but thanks for your very kind offer of help."Sic transit gloria" Historygypsy (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2016 (UTC)