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If anyone wants to pull out or copy a previous discussion, feel free to to do so. —Mirlen 17:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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Role call: September

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1. I'm here, though since school start's tomorrow, I may have less time (the dreaded hell year has finally arrived). Currently working on getting Maedhros to G.A. status. —Mirlen 17:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
2. I've decided to join! I'm working on Maedhros too, shouldn't be too hard...also, I may randomly help start the conversion of the character bios over to the new writing for fiction standards. Judgesurreal777 21:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
3. I am lurking in the shadows... I don't think I've made any Middle-Earth edits, but someday I may emerge and actually do something relevant and/or useful (hopefully both). --Thisisbossi 01:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Finally decided to join recently... User:Uthanc 12:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
5. Here. Time is becoming more limited, but I'm doing what I can. -- Jordi·✆ 13:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
6. Here. Still swamped, but here. Have been doing cleanup on various Middle-earth articles. Dug up some more references on Simbelmynë which I need to add. --CBD 18:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
7. I'm here, this is my first roll call. I've been working on getting some Ted Nasmith pictures up on the site.Dhawk1964 23:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
8. Hello! New here. My main focus right now is some anime stuff, but after that I'm going to be looking for a pet project here. Otherwise I plan on perusing the articles already out there and see about doing some general clean up here and there. Elmer92413 05:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
9. Busy in real life Bryan 08:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
10. I'm still around, I've made some minor edits but school is starting in 5 days and I anticipate lots of schoolwork. I'll do whatever I can though. Nitin.viswanathan 11:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Issues

New Images

I was thinking about possibly getting some of the Ted Nasmith illustartions from the Silmarillion up particulary for the Manwe and Turin article. -Dhawk1964 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's all the information you need. I've contacted Anke and Dolfen through email before and they were generous enough to give permission — so I think that if you email Ted Nasmith he'd be fine with it, as long as you explain the whole fair use issue thoroughly in Wikipedia. I was also thinking of using his "Eärendil Searches Tirion" picture for the Tirion upon Túna article. In fact, it might be best to ask him how many images he'll allow to be put on Wikipedia if he does give permission. —Mirlen 19:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• I sent an email through his website, but it said that he only respons periodicaly, so it may be a while before we have permissions. But I did explain the fair use policy. Dhawk1964 00:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Great. :) If this thread gets archived and Ted Nasmith has responded, feel free to either pull it out again, or just tell me on talk page. Thanks! —Mirlen 13:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• I just got a response: "I’m happy to accept this request, yes. And yes, I guess I am curious about what specific purpose they will serve.

Regards, Ted" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhawk1964 (talk • contribs)

Awesome. Then I'm assuming that we're allowed to use his images? I'll fix the Standards page, he can check the artwork we're using in the 'Fair use' section. —Mirlen 17:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Yea, we can use them. I'll send him the 'Fair use' policy link.Dhawk1964 10:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, I confess I've already uploaded Image:NasmithGandalfBalrog1.jpg (Gandalf and the Balrog), modeling the fair use rationale on Mirlen's for the Faramir and Maedhros images - without Nasmith's permission. But, to quote myself - "Nasmith apparently allows larger versions of his images to be distributed as long as they have copyright watermarks on them, which this image has. (See http://fan.theonering.net/rolozo/ - Entry for November 12 2002)" - as pointed out by Hyarion of Tolkien Gateway earlier. It's currently on the Gandalf, Balrog and Durin's Bane articles; besides, it's refreshing to see unwinged Balrogs :D. At least now we've got permission... BTW, updated Standards page to reflect the suggestions above. Uthanc 11:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
• I thought I saw that... it's alright, we just need to get some more up now. Dhawk1964 15:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I just uploaded an image in the Tirion article. So far we've got Tirion, Balrog, Durin's Bane — anymore articles that contain Nasmith's artwork? (Remember the limit is around 5-7, so choose wisely ;).) —Mirlen 20:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
    • You forgot Gandalf - and our standards say that "Generally, there should be no more than 5-7 illustrations or photographs from the same artist in a work". Doesn't that mean we can use illustrations from the same artist for more than 7 times, just not in a single article? Uthanc 01:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    • He has a great one of Manwe descending on Numenor, it would be nice to see that one up. Oh, and possibly one of Luthien. I like his depictions of her the best. Dhawk1964 19:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I meant as no more than 5-7 images created by the artist (the artist's work) used in articles, but the the fair use section in Me:S needs updating and rewriting. And recently, I've seen a lot of other articles that use images of the same article more than 7 times, so I guess it's alright. I can see how my words were confusing, sorry. (I also liked Jenny Dolfen and Anke Katrin Eissman's portrayals of Luthien.) —Mirlen 17:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Middle-earth Feature Article Removal Candidate

Middle-earth is being considered for removal of its featured article status. Please go to the review and try to address the concerns. If this is not done soon it will likely lose its featured status. Joelito (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Quenya

There is a Quenya language Wikipedia on the incubator site. The 'incubator' is something Wikimedia started recently to allow proposed projects to build articles and show whether they are actually viable or not. Anyone interested in Quenya might want to check it out. --CBD 10:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

LOL! Actually written in Quenya! :-) Carcharoth 15:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm rather pessimistic whether a really good article entirely in Quenya can be made. And I am speaking as someone who knows the language very well. RashBold ^{Talk to me} 22:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I thought it odd that the first attempt was with Quenya rather than Sindarin (even that would be tough), but they are making a go at it. --CBD 01:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Middle-earth article defeatured

See Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Middle-earth. I tried to improve the article, but ran out of time. I think that it will be possible to improve it and resubmit it at some future date. I won't have time to do this until October, but do others have time before then to work on it? Carcharoth 10:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Standards and WP:WAF

Just discovered the existence of WP:WAF, which was created during my wikibreak, and I have now updated the Standards page to match the style guide.
New additions:

• 1.8

Changes:

• 2.2.1
• 2.3.2
• 4.1.5

Make sure to read the updated version, because there are crucial changes. —Mirlen 17:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)