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== Thomas not Abe's biological father ==

While Thomas was clearly Abe's familial father there issome evidence that he was not the biological father, e.g. there are discussions that Thomas was castrated before puberty (at 10) and unable to father children.

[https://www.quora.com/Was-Abraham-Lincolns-mother-African/answer/Troy-Cowan-1/comment/14509262 Troy Cowan, Quora, 11/28/15] cites Emanuel Hertz, The Hidden Lincoln from the letters and papers of William H. Herndon, Blue Ribbon, Inc. 1938, pg 176

This then leaves an open question of who Abraham's biological father was. Troy mentions Samuel Davis..

This online source document [http://lincoln-live.lib.niu.edu/islandora/object/niu-lincoln%3A36557 NIU Lincoln / Net, items 673, 674] describe Enloe's denial and substantiate Thomas's inability..

These are murky facts and add little to an appreciation of Lincoln's life. Still they should be documented somewhere. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Unproven_rumors|Early Life main page - Unproven Rumors]] is reasonable, but not visible in the Early Life section here.

The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_heritage_of_United_States_presidents#Abraham_Lincoln|Presidents African-American Heritage - Lincoln]] section contains similar information.

BTW: the Quora link above is about Lincoln's Mother. If you open it and it resolves to Clinton, something went wrong. The link works for me.

[[User:LarryLACa|LarryLACa]] ([[User talk:LarryLACa|talk]]) 00:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what your point is.
::The Quora linkage is a user-edited discussion board and does not qualify as a [[WP:IRS|reliable source]] so that basically cannot be used on Wikipedia.
::The lincoln-live linkage is to a single letter dated 1889 from Charles Friend to William Herndon (not the most reliable of biographers) containing many unsubstantiated rumors and hearsay. The one unequivocal statement is by Abe Enslow stating that he was '''not''' Abraham Lincoln's father.
:::By the way, the date of the letter is also somewhat problematic, since it was written in 1889 some 24 years after Abraham Lincoln's death. Charles Friend is recollecting times, places, people from probably 30 or 40 years in the past.
::Now as to the claim that Thomas Lincoln was possibly "castrated":
:::All I can find in the lincoln-live reference is:
::: "I heard a Cousin of my fathers Judge Jonathan Friend Cessna('''*''') say that his father Wm Cessna'''(*)''' say that Thomas Lincoln could not have been Abes Father for one of Thomas' testacles was not larger than a pea or perhaps both of them wer no larger than peas,..."
::So. There is nothing in that source that states Thomas Lincoln was castrated, meaning that testicles were cut-off, removed, or suffered severe damage. Charles Friend, the speaker/letter-writer, is saying that ''he'' (while probably a child or young man) heard a cousin of the speaker's father - this Judge - say that <u>his</u> (the Judge's) '''father''' said that maybe one or both of Thomas Lincoln's testicles were small. Maybe at least one. Maybe both....so therefore he could not have fathered Abraham Lincoln, but this is not true in and of itself. The smallness of a man's testicles don't prove that a man is sterile. Besides, this "testimony" is hearsay at best, not even a good oral tradition or history. It's the speakers' recollections of what the speaker's relative said that the relative heard the relative's father assert. At some point in the past. But we don't know when. Or how often.
:::'''(*)''' - '''comment''': Jonathan Friend Cessna lived from 1804-1885, William Cessna lived from 1776-1866, Thomas Lincoln from 1778-1851. The judging as to the size of Thomas Lincoln's testicles would had to have taken place at least 38 years before the letter was written, spoken about by William Cessna at least 23 years before the letter was written, and remembered by Jonathan Friend Cessna at least 2 decades after the fact,
:Historian Edward Steers, Jr. dissects the various rumors and assertions that collected around Lincoln's legitimacy in Chapter Two - "Lincoln's Father - The Paternity of Abraham Lincoln" - of his book ''Lincoln Legends: Myths, Hoaxes, and Confabulations Associated with Our Greatest President''. His building upon the work of William E.Barton and Steers' own scholarship in laying forth the various claims and seeing if they stand up to careful scrutiny should lay any questions about Thomas Lincoln actually being Abraham Lincoln's father to rest.
:Frankly, in my opinion, the various assertions mentioned in your post above have no place in [[Abraham Lincoln]], I think the "rumors" section in the Early life article is sufficient. If you disagree, I suggest you open up an [[WP:RFC]] on this talk page to see what the consensus from the editorial community is. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 04:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
::::Agree with Shearonink, and for the record, I will note that the whole of the section is bloated, so someday I hope some great and bold editor really takes their editing pen to it. [[User:Alanscottwalker|Alanscottwalker]] ([[User talk:Alanscottwalker|talk]]) 14:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::I also agree with Shearonink--leave it out. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 17:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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He is a president


Hi megan and emily

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