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Definition of European airports

European airports are defined as those that are within the airspace of the member and candidate states of the Council of Europe because geographical boundaries between Europe and Asia are debatable. For instance, Spanish airports on Canary Islands and Portuguese airport of Funchal on Madeira are geographically located in Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa#/media/File:Africa_(orthographic_projection).svg ); Cyprus airport of Larnaca is geographically in Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia#/media/File:Asia_on_the_globe_(Asia_centered).svg ); Russian cities of Yekaterinburg and Sochi are either in Europe or in Asia depending only on which convention for geographical boundaries is applied. Therefore one cannot simply remove the Russian and Turkish airports from the rating, while leaving other African and Asian airport in it.

As I've already explained on the article's talk page, it is logically impossible to justify the inclusion of airports that are by no definition in Europe, in a list of airports in Europe. You're right that some cases are debatable, and I can't claim to have a clear answer for those (though it seems to me a sensible position would be to include such contested airports on the lists of both/all the continents they could possible be thought part of). However other cases, such as all airports in Turkey east of the Bosphorus, are not debatable: they are not in Europe. If you think the page should be renamed something like 'List of busiest airports in Council of Europe member states', then by all means make that argument. But as long as the article is about the busiest airports 'in Europe', it cannot include any airports wholly, and undeniably, outside of Europe. The Raincloud Kid (talk) 22:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Please explain your logic: why do you think it's OK to remove Russian and Turkish airports while leaving other African (Canarian) and Asian (Larnaca) in? Look, for example, List of busiest ports in Europe. Position 16 Port of Mersin Mersin Turkey - geographically it's in Asia but it's in the ranking. Or, if you scroll down: Port of Santa Cruz de Tenerife, Canary Islands, technically in Africa. It's also there. So I think, it is OK for the busiest airports to put a note saying, for example, "Geographically in Asia" too, no one will be fooled by this.

My logic is thus: an article with a list of airport in Europe cannot logically include airports that are not by any definition in Europe. Some of Europe's borders are blurred, certainly; your own example of the Canary Islands is a good one, as the airport there, like some other examples, is politically part of a European country but not geographically in Europe. If you would like to argue that those shouldn't be on the list either then please do so on the article's talk page, and if you win consensus then they too can be removed. Others of Europe's borders, however, are not blurred at all. The Bosphorus divide between Europe and Asia is probably Europe's most definitive border; to be very clear, Turkey west of the Bosphorus has always been undeniably part of Europe, and Turkey east of the Bosphorus has always been undeniably part of Asia. There has never been any debate about that, unlike other geographic areas where there is actual debate as to whether they do or do not constitute part of Europe. Thus, as long as the article is a list of airports in Europe (not the member states of the Council of Europe or any other body), it cannot include any airports that are under no definition in Europe. Hope that clears that up for you! NB: you can sign your posts with the tildes next to the "Sign your posts on talk pages:" label on any edit page. The Raincloud Kid (talk) 00:49, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

OK, let me clarify your logic. You are saying, "Canary Islands are politically part of a European country" but same applies to Asian part of Russia! If you are denying this, then you are saying either 1. Russia and Turkey are not European countries. or 2. Asian parts of Russia and Turkey are politically not Russia or Turkey. Which statement 1or 2 you mean logically? Kostja1975 (talk) 08:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

My logic is that it is genuinely debatable whether the Canary Islands are part of Europe or not. They are not a mainland part of another continent (though they are of course closer to Africa than Europe), and they politically 'belong' to a European country. Whether Turkey east of the Bosphorus, on the other hand, is part of Europe, is not debatable, and never has been. Therefore the airports there are definitively not in Europe either. The Raincloud Kid (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

OK, to make clear: do you think, Canarian islands are special only because they are islands, not mainland, is it correct? (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

RfC

Sorry to keep bothering you about this, but can you add some comments to the RfC that I have created? Trans Man RfC Userwoman (talk) 02:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)