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Flojo did take drugs and the auptopsy did state that.

the autopsy didnt specify that at all, a quick google search will show you that there has never been any evidence that she had used performance enhancing drugs. but that just means she was a very good cheat - virtually all athletes use them and they're a prerequisite to get to the top.

What are the sources for the accusations against Florence Griffith Joyner? This article is highly biased. Kemet 12 May 2006.

The main sources for the accusations are that Flo-Jo died at quite a young age considering that she was a fighting fit ex-athlete. Most people in a peak physical condition such as her's should certainly live far longer than 38. It is clear and generally undisputed amongst people in the medical profession that either it is an extremely odd coincidence that she died at such a young age and set such outrageously fast times or that it is a result of blood-replacement type practices before races and/or drug use during her career. Coming from a person indifferent to whether or not she did indeed take drugs, I can see that it is blatantly obvious that she is a cheat. Let's stop making excuses and theories and make statements from what we have in front of us.

Riiight, because no one dies of freak accidents in their lives, and seizures don't affect the physically fit. Give it up already. Not a single shred of proof of Flo-Jo cheating = no cheating. Period.

OK, lets all just settle down. I see no sources for any claim, for or against, that Flo-Jo took proformance enhancing drugs. Comments such as "Flo-Jo took drugs and the autopsy said so." are bogus and POV without sources. We all need to abide by WP:CITE as well as remembering toassume good faith. Also rembember to sign your posts using ~~~~. Thanks for your understanding. xxpor ( Talk | Contribs ) 19:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes, Griffith Joyner didn't take drugs! East German's Marita Koch either? Has Marita Koch been arrested by drug tests? No. Her records are still valid. Just like Flo-Jo's. They didn't take drugs; they just had... extra-terrestrial DNA! Give us a break... --ΚΑΛΛΙΜΑΧΟΣ 08:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Direct accusation have been expressed by various experts. E.g., from salon.com :

"[...] Many prominent doping experts with no axes to grind have expressed serious suspicions about Griffith-Joyner. German scientist Werner Franke, who is credited with exposing the drug and sports machine that turned the former East Germany into a world athletic powerhouse, says flatly that Griffith-Joyner's seizures, which first occurred in 1996, were "symptomatic of the abuse of anabolic drugs or hGH." Former world champion power lifter Mauro Di Pasquale, who was medical director to the World Wrestling Federation and World Bodybuilding Federation and now holds a similar position with NASCAR, says the details of her heart condition and death are consistent with the side effects of such drugs. Even one of Griffith-Joyner's former physicians, sports specialist Robert Kerr, who treated her for an ankle injury, has weighed in on the scandal. "From the combination of her physical appearance and her increased performance," he says, "I believe she was on drugs."--ΚΑΛΛΙΜΑΧΟΣ 08:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

I've removed the {NPOV} tag as the article seems OK to me. If you feel that it should be back, please state the specifics of what concerns you. -- I@n ≡ talk 04:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The source which discusses the speculation about dairy products causing her death actuually points to an anti milk website. I have deleted this line. Someone should find a source that does not have an ulterior interest before putting it back. Is anyone else talking about Milk killing flo-jo besides this website?

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 :The main sources for the accusations are that Flo-Jo died at quite a young age considering that she was a fighting fit ex-athlete. Most people in a peak physical condition such as her's should certainly live far longer than 38. It is clear and generally undisputed amongst people in the medical profession that either it is an extremely odd coincidence that she died at such a young age and set such outrageously fast times or that it is a result of blood-replacement type practices before races and/or drug use during her career. Coming from a person indifferent to whether or not she did indeed take drugs, I can see that it is blatantly obvious that she is a cheat. Let's stop making excuses and theories and make statements from what we have in front of us.
+::Riiight, because no one dies of freak accidents in their lives, and seizures don't affect the physically fit. Give it up already. Not a single shred of proof of Flo-Jo cheating = no cheating. Period.
 OK, lets all just settle down. I see no sources for any claim, for or against, that Flo-Jo took proformance enhancing drugs. Comments such as "Flo-Jo took drugs and the autopsy said so." are bogus and POV without sources. We all need to abide by [[WP:CITE]] as well as remembering to[[Wikipedia:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]]. Also rembember to sign your posts using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Thanks for your understanding. [[User:Xxpor | '''xxpor''']] ( [[user_talk:xxpor | Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Xxpor | Contribs]] ) 19:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)