Talk:Delayed onset muscle soreness

This report could be of interest. From Swedish University. 138.227.189.8 11:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. And the only reason I came to check up on this article was because my legs are hurting from suddenly doing barbell squats with heavy poundage after a two-month hiatus. Anyway, if I get the article correctly, DOMS is caused by reconstruction of sarcomeres and myofibrils in the fibers. Anyone wish to consider adding this into the article? CABAL 14:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, I've been waiting for that too. I am not so good in the english language to do that by my self, so... Crizz 1 July 2005 10:00 (UTC)

I'm still looking around for other journal articles that support this theory. A single source is never reliable enough. CABAL 1 July 2005 12:16 (UTC)

Lactic buildup

Isn't lactic buildup still a valid theory. It certainly makes sense because you can get rid of soreness if you move around a little (not exercise) when you have muscle sores. Maybe muscle sores come from both lactic buildup and muscles reinforcement

DOMS can last for a few days. Lactic acid is flushed in far shorter time than that. CABAL 03:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Lactic acid(actually lactate) is associated with sore muscles, but it has been shown not to be the cause of the soreness. It has been found that people with greater endurance have higher levels of lactate, and with some further experiments showed that lactate is actually beneficial for reducing soreness and protecting the muscles.

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1314443.htm

http://www.time-to-run.com/theabc/lactic.htm

njh 23:31, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up

I have tagged this page for clean-up. Needs a possible re-write. I will do this soon, any extra input is welcomedCavell 06:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Cavell

The following pair of sentences seem to directly contradict each other:

Training does not make an existing DOMS worse, because the reinforcement process is already underway. As training will induce further damage to the muscles and thus more hypertrophy and reinforcement, it can add more swelling and pain, and lengthen the period of DOMS.

What does "to make worse" mean, if not more swelling, more pain, and longer? So does training worsen DOMS or not? Someone who knows more than me needs to fix this.--MattMadden 03:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

is the muscle sourness suposed to happen after each workout to indicate that your muscles are building

the first time i lifted i was sour all over the next day. but then the next time i lift i wasnt sour so i added more weight and im still not sour but i was completly fatiged so i dont know if im building muscle. so if i dont get sour am i still building muscle?

Yes, DOMS stops occuring significantly after a bit. I suggest you ask at a forum with a lot more people, such as the one over at [Bodybuilding.com]. They will be able to provide a lot more information. CABAL 11:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

People (like me) who do Soviet dual-factor routines with huge-volume loading phases such as Sheiko or Smolov find DOMS vanishes altogether within a few sessions. Yet come back after a low volume mesocycle onto high volume and the first session back, even though it starts at the lowest intensity, produces killer DOMS. I think a lot of Bodybuilders are following split routines where they are permanently never doing enough frequency per muscle to really adapt to the DOMS. So this reinforces the idea that a harder training=more DOMS=bigger gains - where in fact if they where to squat 3-4 times a week, DOMS would be far less (but the training load is far more brutal - hence the whole deload+intensify that becomes imperative on Smolov et al).

Re:Clean-up

Um anybody who's ever done weight training can tell you that futher training makes doms worse. I cant reference this, just try doing drop sets every day for a week if u dont belive me ;). though is often reccomended so long as a pause is taken and full recovery is achived before overtraining happens. Prepetual doms training WILL cause overtrainig. Futhermore many exirienced bodybuilders find they get the best gains without doms, eg trainig less hard but with higher frequency. Chek out Hypertrophy specific training. http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html Now startig to get quite popular.

The referenced article also points to inflamation as as sourse of pain, this should be noted in the wiki article.

if u check out this link there are some studies which also imply oxidative stress is a factor http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=20907&st=30

Lastly id like to point out that NSAIDs inrceasec recoveery time and slow growth http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindandmuscle/magpage.php?issueID=34&artID=999409 , they also cause 43% of drug-related emergency in the US NSAIDS. Id like to put a warinig beside that one.

oh and no offence but Bodybuilding.com has one of the worst forms ever. Check out http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/ http://forums.1fast400.com/ http://www.avantlabs.com/forum/

--Turgonml 15:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)