User talk:Cityscaper

Semi-arid desert climate in Pasadena

Greetings. I noticed that you changed Pasadena's climate classification from Mediterranean (Koppen Csa) to semi-arid (Koppen BSh). 17.68 inches of precipitation may be low enough threshold to list Pasadena in the semi-arid regime, but where did that statistic come from? I thought that Pasadena averaged between 19 to 21 inches of annual precipitation.

I'm not going to revise your edit, but Pasadena's climate should be classified as hot-summer Mediterranean (Csa) with strong semi-arid (BSh) characteristics. Thank you. 68taileddragon (talk) 21:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

It was interesting. Usually Climatologists use the turn of a decade to change a cities climate. The most recent being 1980-2010. However, this region of the world has seen drastic changes in its climate since 2010, such as April and March warming over 4 degrees, several inches of ran lost, and overnight temperatures staying very warm. I took it upon myself to edit Pasadena climate data to reflective most recent changes, editing it every January 1st, instead of the end of a decade. I have found that we have lost several inches of rain since 2010, due to the historic California drought. (Was 21.09, now is 17)So, officially it is still a Mediterranean climate. However, the last 7 1/2 years says completely otherwise. We in fact used to get over 38 inches of rain annually in the 20s, 30s and 40s. Los Angeles is slowly becoming a desert.

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Thank you for the information. This means that LA doesn't have a Mediterranean climate either. I won't change the classification, but I'll add some explanantions. That said, LA and Pasadena are not deserts yet. The correct term is steppe.

San Diego is in the same boat as Pasadena and LA, though its much more complicated.

68taileddragon (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Pasadena, California

At Pasadena, California you made changes to the climate data, but did not provide information about the source of your data in the article. Instead, you left a link to the reference in your edit summary. Please take a moment to learn how to reference your edits. Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1 will assist you. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:01, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Climate

Your changes has been reverted. Reasons:

1. "wrcc.dri.edu" is nor official agency, this is not NOAA (you show this page as NOAA, this is fraud)
2. source show data from 01/01/1893 to 06/10/2016, not 1/1/1989 to 12/31/2018
3. in most meteorological agencies, standard period for climatical data is 30-years (1981-2010, 1971-2000, 1961-1990 etc), not your 21!
4. according to the Wikipedia:Verifiability, if there is an official source (in this case - official meteorogical agency NOAA), must to used this, not a no reliable source like "wrcc.dri.edu"

Please do not delete the official NOAA data like this without consensus (per Wikipedia:Consensus). Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 02:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

In your source, where is period from 1/1/1989 to 12/31/2018? I see only: 1981-2010, 1971-2000, 1961-1990 and 01/01/1893 to 06/10/2016, I quote "Period of Record : 01/01/1893 to 06/10/2016"[1]. 1893 is not your 1989 and 2016 is not your 2018, so - if this is not breaking the rule of Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes and Wikipedia:No original research, where is data 1989-2018? Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 14:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sub-Tropical man,

As mentioned before, the most recent 30 years are used to determine climate. 1893 was over 120 years ago, not 30 years ago. These years can be used as decades, such as 1981 - 2010, or years, such as 1988-2017, or 1989 - 2018, which Pasadena is used for. You can find these numbers on that source under "Monthly Temperature Listings" which are currently updated through December 31, 2018. However, some records data ends at 6/10/2016. Those, however, are not needed for this template. Would you please revisit the Pasadena Wikipedia page and revert your edits?

Thanks. Cityscaper (talk) 16:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

First: I wrote about average data, not records of temperature. You wrote: "such as 1988-2017, or 1989-2018, which Pasadena is used for" - your source does not show data of 1988-2017 or 1989-2018, source show data only from 1981-2010, 1971-2000, 1961-1990 and 1893-2016. According to the Wikipedia:Verifiability, your data should be verified - so - again: where is data of 1988-2017 or 1989-2018 in your source? No verification - your data will not be able to be restored. Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 19:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I really don't know what else to tell you. I mean... its right there, where I said it was. There are all the months between June 1908 and January 2019, with only November 1973, April 1978 and March 1979 missing. This is official data, and collected by the National Weather Service and presented here by NOAAs Western Regional Climate Center.