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Belarus continues to call its intelligence service the KGB.

I removed this phrase as not belonging here. I think I've seen it in a more relevant article, but just in case I'm copying it to talk. Mikkalai 17:46, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Born-place and family

Born in Belarusian nobility family (dont bourgeois Polish family) in manor Dziaržynava. W.V.-S. 23:12, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Exactly

Exactly! Those strange Polish nationalists keep inserting misinformation.

First of all, he never said he was Polish. He was from Belarus nobles (szlachta).
Second, please stop screwing up with the birth location. For the last time:

The city of Dzyarzhynsk is located at Latitude 53.6850, Longitude 27.1419. OK? http://www.fallingrain.com/world/BO/6/Dzyarzhynsk.html
And the estate Dziarzhynava is located right next to the village Piatrylavichy http://www.fallingrain.com/world/BO/0/Petrilovichi.html Latitude 53.8333 Longitude 26.6000.
The distance between the two locations is about 25 km. The closest towns are Ivianiets (Івянец) and Rakau (Ракаў), not Kojdanava (Dziarzhynsk).

--rydel 23:53, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It is not all posish nationalists (what a strange kind of nationalism it would be). At least in one place it was me who restored some information from previous versions which looked like it was lost during some massive editing. Don't panic, just do what you did: write an explanation in the talk page. Mikkalai 22:41, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Polish or Belarusian?

I'm lost with these edits. Was he Polish or Belorussian ? (what's the difference anyway ?) Lysy 20:29, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As I said, it's a hard question, probably both, but many Belarusians don't want him. ;) Here's my serious attempt to answer that: Talk:Ignacy Domeyko. --rydel 00:15, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm a little puzzled by edits of Mikkalai who changes his nationality from Polish to Belarusian and back. Generally, I agree that notion of nationality in these times was different to what we think today. Dzerzhinsky is certainly not the person to be proud of but I think that many people in Poland at least believe he was of Polish origin. But take him if you wish ;-) Lysy 05:39, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sadly, he was Polish. Don't forget the borders were different back them. He was born to a Polish family in a village that was part of the Russian Empire back then. Before that, it was part of the Kingdom of Poland. So yes, he was of Polish ethnicity. His father was Jewish, but a Pole too.

It's just like woth Wayne Gretzky's grandfather. His ethnicity was Polish, but he was born in a village that now is part of Belarus.

Norum 15.Nov.2006 20:04 EST

And what is so "sad" about being Polish? --Ghirla ^-трёп- 09:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think he or she meant that it was sad that the Polish must claim Dzerzhinsky, not that being Polish is sad. Themill 09:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dzerhinsky's father was of Jewish origin, and his mother was of Polish origin, according to official (soviet era) and/or unofficial biographies- i forget which. He was born on the territory of the current Republic of Belarus. His family spoke Polish, and when he was 7 years old, he also learned RUssian. He also knew some yiddish/Hebrew. According to some onilne info about the Jewish history of the nearby town of Ivenetz, local Christians were also able to speak yiddish. Dzerzhinsky was a Catholic himself.

Various biographies show that he was influenced to become a revolutionary by his mother's stories of repression against Poles and peasants in Russia. He was toughened and was nicknamed "Iron Felix" because of his stays in harsh prisons and then exile in Sibera.

Rako.

So, to put it all together, if he was Catholic (and I'm sure he was, since he got married in St. Nicholas church in Kraków), spoke Polish, and was a nobleman, then it hardly makes him a Belarussian, does it? He was a Pole, born in what is now Belarus. – Kpalion (talk) 18:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Atrocities?

Might be useful to include a sentence or two on the number of Russians who perished at the hands of the Cheka while Felix was its director. -- Flask 10:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, this man seems scary, did he do any particularly scary things someone saw fit to omit from this entry? Mathiastck 18:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Orël

I don't know squat about Comrade Dzerzhinsky, but I have a photo of a statue of him (seated) taken recently in Orël (Oryol), Russia, if anyone's interested. It would be interesting to know why it's still there. Sca 22:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And why it should not be? There is another statue just in front of my house. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er, he's not exactly a hero these days, is he? Can you imagine the outcry if some German town had a statue of Himmler?

Sca 16:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 :And what is so "sad" about being Polish? --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 09:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
+I think he or she meant that it was sad that the Polish must claim Dzerzhinsky, not that being Polish is sad. [[User:Themill|Themill]] 09:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 Dzerhinsky's father was of Jewish origin, and his mother was of Polish origin, according to official (soviet era) and/or unofficial biographies- i forget which. He was born on the territory of the current Republic of Belarus. His family spoke Polish, and when he was 7 years old, he also learned RUssian. He also knew some yiddish/Hebrew. According to some onilne info about the Jewish history of the nearby town of Ivenetz, local Christians were also able to speak yiddish. Dzerzhinsky was a Catholic himself.