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Tamuz will be later adopted in judaic and islam traditions
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m Tamuz will be later adopted in judaic and islam traditions !!
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<br>The lamentations were written in the babylonian religion.
<br>The lamentations were written in the babylonian religion.
<br>Judaic religion will retake those lamentations tradition.
<br>Judaic religion will retake those lamentations tradition.
<br>note : the comments from the user "Kuratowski's Ghost" are very dangerous because he is refusing scientific facts and to read the traductions of the tablets. He removed VERY important paragraphs about jewish religion and links with Tammuz. The babylonians tablets traductions show that Geshtinanna lamented when Dumuzid died. And Inanna went to the underworld to try to save him. Thats scientific facts and the user "Kuratowski's Ghost" doesnt have the right to delete them in the wikipedia.
<br>The given link is surely not a crackpot POV like user "Kuratowski's Ghost" is writing, it is correct : the jewish religion and calendar is DIRECTLY coming from the babylonian religion. The only difference is the name of the old gods was replaced with only one : YWHW . Denying this is denying science, and thats what the user "Kuratowski's Ghost" did.
<br>Traduction of the babylonian tablet : http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcslmac.cgi?text=t.1.4.4
<br>Extract :
<br>"She can make the lament for you, my Dumuzid, the lament for you, the lament, the lamentation, reach the desert -- she can make it reach the house Arali; she can make it reach Bad-tibira; she can make it reach Dul-šuba; she can make it reach the shepherding country, the sheepfold of Dumuzid "
<br>"O Dumuzid of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully, "O you of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully. "Lad, husband, lord, sweet as the date, …… O Dumuzid!" she sobs, she sobs tearfully.
<br>etc.

Revision as of 03:49, 7 January 2005

I have removed the paragraphs that attempt to imply a link between Muslim and Jewish days of mourning with ancient mourning practices related to Tammuz. In both case the days of mourning were introduced as a result of known historical events having absolutely nothing to do with Tammuz. The Islamic practice arose centuries after Tammuz worship has disappeared and the Jewish practice was instituted by people well aware and totally opposed to Tammuz worship so to suggest that there is a link is a crackpot POV not supported by legitimate scholarship. Kuratowski's Ghost 15:38, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Somewhere an account

Somewhere I read an ancient writer (sailing into port?)describing some of the visual ritual of Tammuz during his time of mourning. It would give some life to this entry. Help? My old notes are a mess. Charlie Turek magician charlesturek@comcast.net 11 Nov 04

Tamuz will be later adopted in judaic and islam traditions


Tamuz sumerian name was Dumu-zid which means the "good child".
His akkadian name was Tamuz.
He was the King-God of the city Bad-tibira, of stables, milk and fertility.
After his death, his sister Geshtinanna cried and lamented days and nights.
The lamentations were written in the babylonian religion.
Judaic religion will retake those lamentations tradition.
note : the comments from the user "Kuratowski's Ghost" are very dangerous because he is refusing scientific facts and to read the traductions of the tablets. He removed VERY important paragraphs about jewish religion and links with Tammuz. The babylonians tablets traductions show that Geshtinanna lamented when Dumuzid died. And Inanna went to the underworld to try to save him. Thats scientific facts and the user "Kuratowski's Ghost" doesnt have the right to delete them in the wikipedia.
The given link is surely not a crackpot POV like user "Kuratowski's Ghost" is writing, it is correct : the jewish religion and calendar is DIRECTLY coming from the babylonian religion. The only difference is the name of the old gods was replaced with only one : YWHW . Denying this is denying science, and thats what the user "Kuratowski's Ghost" did.
Traduction of the babylonian tablet : http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcslmac.cgi?text=t.1.4.4
Extract :
"She can make the lament for you, my Dumuzid, the lament for you, the lament, the lamentation, reach the desert -- she can make it reach the house Arali; she can make it reach Bad-tibira; she can make it reach Dul-šuba; she can make it reach the shepherding country, the sheepfold of Dumuzid "
"O Dumuzid of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully, "O you of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully. "Lad, husband, lord, sweet as the date, …… O Dumuzid!" she sobs, she sobs tearfully.
etc.