Talk:Southern hip hop

For a November 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Southern rap

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St. Louis is not Southern Rap. St. Louis is a midwestern city.

We need a Screwed Music article.

Nelly is a Southern rapper

He may rep St. Louis, but his lyrical and production style shares several similarities with Southern Rap, as does his dialect and slang, as well and his “errr” pronunciation with words. In his music videos, he has made references to St .Louis as the “Derrty” (which refers to the Dirty South). Even his debut album is called “Country” Grammer. If you Google “Nelly” and “South”, you’ll understand my point. Unlike other forms of music, Hip Hop genres are not determined by geographic location, but style. Clispe, for example, despite being based from Virginia (generally considered a Southern state) have cited Mobb Deep and Gangstarr as their inspirations, and have even defined themselves as “East Coast” rappers in their interviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chubdub (talk • contribs) 21:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

From Nelly's allmusic.com entry:

He wasn't from the East or West Coast, and wasn't really from the Dirty South, either. Rather, Nelly was from St. Louis, a Midwestern city halfway between Minneapolis and New Orleans. His locale certainly informed his rapping style, which was as much country as urban, and his dialect as well, which was, similarly, as much Southern drawl as Midwestern twang. Plus, Nelly never shied away from a pop-rap approach, embracing a singalong vocal style that made his hooks incredibly catchy.

I think it's fair to say that Nelly's not a Southern rapper in the common use of that term. | Klaw ¡digame! 23:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

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True, but Nelly typically raps on a double beat, typical of Chicago (see twister) and Kansas City (see tech n9ne) rappers. This is quite different then many southern rappers who rap at a more regular pace. I don't know too much about rap, but I have observed this.

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St. Louis may be technically a midwestern city, it is heavily influenced by its proximity to the south. The city shares many characteristics with cities like Memphis and Atlanta much more so than Chicago or Minneapolis. That given with Nelly's lyrical structure (same can be applied to Chingy, J-Kwon, Murphy Lee, and other St. Louis rappers) St. Louis rap is usually (content-wise)more closely related to other dirty south rap. Nelly was one of the first rappers to start referring to his home as "The Dirty."

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It doesn't matter. What matters is where you're from. Nelly constanly represents the Midwest. He even was in a song called "Midwest Swing

when did 50 cent say he didnt like southern rap

Music of South Florida AfD

Since I'm not an expert on the Rap music scene, I don't know if it's worth saving or not, but the Music of South Florida article is being nominated for deletion. Any input from experts in the southern rap scene would be welcome at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Music_of_South_Florida#.5B.5BMusic_of_South_Florida.5D.5D
Thanks! Dreadlocke ☥ 17:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The article was saved! Dreadlocke ☥ 23:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Southern Rap

First of all St. Louis has little in common with Atlanta, and is def. defined as a midwestern city. Second, rap from big label artists hailing from Atlanta are different culturally from the inner city rap which can be heard on local radio stations and get the air play in the city of Atlanta. Memphis, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Florida rap style variate in accents and lyrical content. Atlanta rap tends to be flashy with praise the praise of selling drugs and material things, known as the "Trap" and have thick southern accents with particular pronounciations on such words such can't would be pronounced "cain't". T and D are often pronounced heavily stressed. Snap music is simply from one part of Atlanta but does not represent the whole community. Memphis has a very serious and maleviolent tone of rap. Using criminal references and threatening lyrics with tones of cathcy rythms and influences of Blues in its music. Musical beats tend to have a anger like feel to them. Accents differ from Atlanta not by much. They are still thick of southern venacular but the vowels in words such as here or beer are pronounced hurr, burr with a slight faint of the vowel. New Orleans rap is all about the jewels, the clique, the glorious praise of the individual rapping. Accents are very unique and easily distinguished from Memphis or Atlanta, a loose a is added to the end of words and once again the urr is presents. Juveniles pronounciation of store would be "sto-yay". Florida can show many faces in Hip Hop since florida has little state culture due to man residents being from other parts of the country. Accents can differ from resembling that of an Atlantan's as trick daddy, to barely no accent at all. Florida hip hop is more of a dance type.