Talk:List of United States tornadoes from January to March 2021

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Fultondale tornado rating

The national weather service assessment says that the tornado in Fultondale Alabama on January 25th was rated EF2, not EF3. IBlazeCat (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The preliminary findings showed high end EF2. I don't know why it is set at EF3. Maybe someone found something we didn't. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was just confirmed as an EF3 with 150 mph winds. NWS Birmingham just tweeted. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, this page, albeit incomplete, listed the EF3 rating some hours before the latest tweet. TornadoLGS (talk)

Fultondale tornado - separate article discussion

Is the Fultondale tornado large enough to have a separate article or should it just have a large box on this article, or both? Elijahandskip (talk) 13:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If the discussion decides to have a separate article, we could work on Draft:2021 Fultdondale tornado. If the discussion decides not to have a separate article, we will speedy delete the draft.

  • Support Separate Article since an EF 3 tornado (Deadly) is rare to see in January. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose - This was one EF3 tornado. It did considerable damage. But, it wasn't exceptionally deadly or impactful. A good section at Tornadoes of 2021#January 25 will do just fine. United States Man (talk) 15:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tornadoes like this are not uncommon in the Southeast. The time of year is irrelevant. Unless this gets a lot more coverage later on, it fails WP:LASTING and WP:GEOSCOPE. TornadoLGS (talk) 19:55, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral In My Opinion, this may not be a bad idea to have a separate article. However, I don't know if every tornado deserves an article or not. However, I don't think that we should never write tornado articles. For example, I think we should possibly write an article on deadly EF3+ tornadoes, all EF5 tornadoes, and rare tornadoes. (e.g.) Non-fatal EF3 Tornado in South Florida during winter. --Wxman28 (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning Support, but not now I was actually going to start an article myself until I saw this. Heavy damage in a populated area and a fatality warrant a section, but the thing I want to highlight is the unusual environment the storm formed in. We won't know much about it now, but I do want to see what is being said on it in the future.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 20:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing here warrants a full article, as it will inevitably be a rehash of what’s already in the section. Also, there is nothing exceptionally special about the “environment the storm formed in.” United States Man (talk) 04:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Noticed I said environment and NOT place. The place has nothing to do with my argument. However, the summary from the NWS Birmingham states the more favorable conditions for tornadoes were further north. They also said, "...the formation of this tornadic storm was particularly interesting given the overall environment. A few small-scale factors, perhaps not present elsewhere, appear to have come together to allow this storm to produce such a tornado." That's why I want an article. Its not for the event itself, but the factors that led to it.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 22:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support separate article Seeing how rare an intense tornado like this one is in January, it should have its own article. IBlazeCat (talk) 21:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
An EF3 tornado in January or February is not exceptionally rare. A tornado in the south (especially Alabama) is not rare at all in January. So this argument holds no weight. United States Man (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Even then, a strong occurring somewhat outside the typical temporal or geographic range does not lend all that much notability. It doesn't matter if the tornado hit in January or April, Alabama or upstate New York. Impact and coverage should be the primary factors determining article-worthiness. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Section in the main article supplemented by this list is fine. The scale/scope of damage and meteorological context isn't exceptional for January. There will always be enough meteorological info to make an article of adequate length, but I don't think it's warranted. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@United States Man, ChessEric, and Wxman28: It seems there has been a failure to communicate, since the Fultondale article was move from draftspace to mainspace, redirected, and moved to user space without discussion. Things might need to be hashed out more, but it seems consensus is leaning against having the article. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TornadoLGS: I know that. I wanted to keep it for myself. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 03:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Humphreys County tornado

{{subst:DNAU|United States Man}} Is there a source for the Humphreys County, TN tornado on February 28? I can only find a report of thunderstorm wind damage. I was going to remove it, since an IP has been adding TN tornadoes without a source, but I saw that you added it. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is on DAT with a complete survey. There was also a warning just east of that area just after that time so it lines up. United States Man (talk) 23:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Cantore confirmed tornado today.

I can't find much info on the tornado other than a confirmation from a famous weather guy. Well, he retweeted it, so that is a confirmation from him. https://twitter.com/nmjameswilson/status/1370515603417669632?s=19 Elijahandskip (talk) 03:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. That has no relevance and holds no weight here. United States Man (talk) 03:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:USERGENERATED. We don't accept posts from personal social media. We can wait until confirmation from the NWS. TornadoLGS (talk) 04:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

3/22 Lubbock Tornado

I am going to have to ask you stop reverting it. That report list specifically states the NWS certified local storm report confirming the tornado in question. -8medalkid — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8medalkid (talk • contribs) 19:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

March 12 tornado

@United States Man and 8medalkid: Let's do this here instead of getting into another edit war. 8Medalkid, if you can provide a better source for the tornado, please do so in the same edit that you add the tornado. Preliminary tornado reports through the SPC are generally not confirmed until there is a survey. Worst case, we wait for the NCDC release. TornadoLGS (talk) 19:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a difference between edit warring over content and protecting the integrity of an article. United States Man (talk) 19:03, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You repeatedly reverted it as I provided an NWS certified LSR. I think it is an edit war at this point. 8medalkid
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