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Former throne articles
Are you trying to get rid of all the former monarchy articles? I don't necessarily have a problem with that. China's former monarchy is less notable than those of Russia or Italy, which have already been deleted. But I do question some of your edit summaries. "The end of the empire is really the end of the story." Say what? It is a "former throne" article. The end of the empire is when the story starts. "Line of succession" might not be exactly the right phrase. But we can come up with something better. It is not a reason to delete an entire section. If "heir" or "successor" is the terminology used in the sources, it is valid for Wikipedia to follow that. After all the recent subtractions, the article is little more than a stub at this point.
I brought this article back to life when I noticed someone had blanked it soon after an AfD had resolve to keep it. Later, I noticed that many other former throne have been deleted recently. What's going on with the French ones? We can make up an AfD for the three remaining former throne articles. 99to99 (talk) 10:51, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- It's important to distinguish between the the defunct throne and the dynasty that last sat upon it. Using Russia as an example, it's perfectly valid for Wikipedia to write about internal disputes concerning the headship of the House of Romanov and about Russian pretenders, but we can't write about the current line of succession to the former Russian throne since there is no line of succession to a defunct throne. With the Qing dynasty, there's an additional problem raised by both George6VI and Agricolae at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Chinese throne, namely that they didn't have a line of succession as such. I think your idea of changing the scope of the article to Chinese imperial succession in general is a splendid one. TompaDompa (talk) 16:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- The result of the AfD was "keep." Are you relitigating it? I wrote only that Pujie was Puyi's heir, not that he was in the line of succession for anything. Are you arguing that Puyi had one heir with respect to Manchukou and another with respect to China? No source says anything like that! The Chicago Tribune calls him, "The heir to China`s throne." The NYT story says, "If Japan had won the war, Pu Jie could have become Emperor of China." Okay, I don't know if that's true. My point is that the NYT promoted him as a guy who might have been emperor of China but for a twist of fate. 99to99 (talk) 20:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- The AfD was in 2017. In 2020, no fewer than 40 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40) articles about lines of succession to defunct thrones were deleted at AfD. If this article were to present "the current line of succession" to the Qing dynasty throne and go through AfD, it would be deleted. Community WP:CONSENSUS has overwhelmingly rejected the notion of defunct thrones having lines of succession that extend to the present day as complete nonsense.The issue about Pujie is that he was made heir to the Manchukuo throne by a Manchukuo law in 1937. He wasn't made heir to the Chinese (i.e. Qing) throne which had already been defunct for a quarter of a century by then, because there was no such throne to be made heir to. So I'm not saying that
Puyi had one heir with respect to Manchukou and another with respect to China
– the fact of the matter is that he had an heir with respect to the Manchukuo throne (until it ceased to exist in 1945) and no heir with respect to the Chinese throne at that point in time. Manchukuo wasn't a continuation of the Qing Empire. The succession to the Manchukuo throne is consequently WP:OFFTOPIC when it comes to succession to the Chinese throne. TompaDompa (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- The AfD was in 2017. In 2020, no fewer than 40 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40) articles about lines of succession to defunct thrones were deleted at AfD. If this article were to present "the current line of succession" to the Qing dynasty throne and go through AfD, it would be deleted. Community WP:CONSENSUS has overwhelmingly rejected the notion of defunct thrones having lines of succession that extend to the present day as complete nonsense.The issue about Pujie is that he was made heir to the Manchukuo throne by a Manchukuo law in 1937. He wasn't made heir to the Chinese (i.e. Qing) throne which had already been defunct for a quarter of a century by then, because there was no such throne to be made heir to. So I'm not saying that
- The result of the AfD was "keep." Are you relitigating it? I wrote only that Pujie was Puyi's heir, not that he was in the line of succession for anything. Are you arguing that Puyi had one heir with respect to Manchukou and another with respect to China? No source says anything like that! The Chicago Tribune calls him, "The heir to China`s throne." The NYT story says, "If Japan had won the war, Pu Jie could have become Emperor of China." Okay, I don't know if that's true. My point is that the NYT promoted him as a guy who might have been emperor of China but for a twist of fate. 99to99 (talk) 20:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- The 1937 law was issued by Puyi as head of a ruling house. Puyi was a Chinese emperor. How he dealt with the succession issue is therefore relevant to the article. I have already given several sources that describe Pujie as heir to the Chinese throne, or simply as Puyi's heir (without any Manchukuo-related qualification). You are arguing with various major newspapers and reference works. You don't cite any WP:RS, but only the comments of two editors made at an AfD years ago. If you are so confident that the article would be deleted, why don't you nominate it at AfD? 99to99 (talk) 02:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Puyi wasn't a Chinese emperor in 1937. At that time, he was emperor of Manchukuo and a former Chinese emperor. The ruling house you refer to was at that time the ruling house of Manchukuo, not the ruling house of China. Puyi had no authority whatsoever to make anyone heir to the Chinese throne in 1937, because the Chinese throne did not exist then and hadn't for a quarter of a century. What Puyi did have authority to do was appoint an heir to the Manchukuo throne and to the headship of the House of Aisin-Gioro, because those were positions that actually existed (and were held by him) in 1937. Saying that Pujie was made heir to the Chinese throne in 1937 is ahistorical nonsense; there is no heir to a defunct throne, because there is nothing to be heir to. The reason that Pujie didn't succeed Puyi as emperor of Manchukuo was that Manchukuo as a political entity had ceased to exist altogether when Puyi died in 1967. China, however, did still exist as a political entity (arguably two: the PRC and the ROC), and the reason that Pujie didn't succeed Puyi as emperor of China was that the position had been abolished more than half a century prior.The reason I'm not nominating this at AfD is that there is no reason to delete an article about the general subject of Chinese imperial succession. The reasons for deletion apply to extending the line of succession past the point at which the throne ceased to exist (hence why I phrased it the way I did:
If this article were to present "the current line of succession" to the Qing dynasty throne and go through AfD, it would be deleted.
). If we simply remove the ahistorical nonsense parts about succession post-abolition of the monarchy, we have solved the problem. TompaDompa (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Puyi wasn't a Chinese emperor in 1937. At that time, he was emperor of Manchukuo and a former Chinese emperor. The ruling house you refer to was at that time the ruling house of Manchukuo, not the ruling house of China. Puyi had no authority whatsoever to make anyone heir to the Chinese throne in 1937, because the Chinese throne did not exist then and hadn't for a quarter of a century. What Puyi did have authority to do was appoint an heir to the Manchukuo throne and to the headship of the House of Aisin-Gioro, because those were positions that actually existed (and were held by him) in 1937. Saying that Pujie was made heir to the Chinese throne in 1937 is ahistorical nonsense; there is no heir to a defunct throne, because there is nothing to be heir to. The reason that Pujie didn't succeed Puyi as emperor of Manchukuo was that Manchukuo as a political entity had ceased to exist altogether when Puyi died in 1967. China, however, did still exist as a political entity (arguably two: the PRC and the ROC), and the reason that Pujie didn't succeed Puyi as emperor of China was that the position had been abolished more than half a century prior.The reason I'm not nominating this at AfD is that there is no reason to delete an article about the general subject of Chinese imperial succession. The reasons for deletion apply to extending the line of succession past the point at which the throne ceased to exist (hence why I phrased it the way I did:
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This is the first and last time I am warning you against frequently disputing edits in the page of Demon Slayer Mugen Train without any mode of discussion just randomly removing statement shows that you are possessing the article and your account was created for single purpose. Don't disturb the success of the film with your own edits. The film has changed history of Cinema in Japan. Many Japanese user cited this article to tell people that how the film has changed Japan. Random making edits to hurt the sentiments of Japanese History might lead to arrest by law of land if your location is/are collected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.203.145.225 (talk) 04:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- For future reference, the above IP has been blocked for making WP:Legal threats. TompaDompa (talk) 10:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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I request you to hold a discussion before making any more edits. Your edits seem to be a conflict for many IP Users. Hope that you do not raise any more problems. Catropst Benzt (talk) 05:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- For future reference, the above editor has been WP:CheckUser blocked. One of the issues was WP:Undisclosed paid editing. TompaDompa (talk) 10:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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