Template talk:Crash series

Um... Question. Since when were Spyro characters now just sub-characters of Crash Bandicoot? It was a ONE-TIME CROSSOVER. Tom Temprotran 02:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Characters?

This last has obviously changed to include things other than characters, so I'm going to change the title of the template to Crash Bandicoot characters, items and places. Sam 21:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Most of these should be merged. There's no need to have indiviudal articles for every minor character. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spyro

I think Spyro should be included in the "Good" section, as he's appeared as an ally in a number of Crash games. Just Spyro himself, mind. Thoughts? (Person 1)

By that logic we should add all the other Spyro characters as well. He ISN'T a Crash character, period.(Klaus Kratchet)

No we shouldn't, because they've either never featured in Crash, or only in the one-time crossover. Spyro's been in a good three Crash games now, so he very much is a character. (Person 1)

We should list the cast of Phantasy Star Online as Sonic characters then since they made many cameos together if you believe that. (Klaus Krachet)

I don't know anything about that, but I do know that the Spyro character does exist in the Crash universe, and appears fairly often, so he should be added to the template.

He is NOT a Crash character though.

He obviously exists in the Crash world, he's appeared in several games. He may not be a Crash character in origin, but I think he should have a place on the template, since he appears in so many games.

But he is NOT a Crash Bandicoot character. Besides, why should we listen to you, Mr Speculator? Seeing as you think he was brainwashed in Nitro Kart, and now you've caused the thread to be blocked and the lies left there?

Can we please have this discussion without all the straw men? I think since he appears in several Crash games, he should appear in the template, even in the neutral section. He exists in the Crash universe, he is a crash character too.

He is a SPYRO character.

He's also a Crash character. He can be both.

Technically, he can't. We've had this discussion before many a time, and all previous comments had been rejected. I'm sorry, but it's unlikely to work.

Why can't he be? Obviously, he's a Spyro character fist and foremost, but if he exists in Crash's universe, and makes several appearances, why can't he also be a Crash character?

Because he ISN'T. He's just a CAMEO. That's like stating that the MegaMan characters in the series before Battle Network deserve to be characters because of the many cameos they have, but they are NOT Battle Network characters. (Klaus Kratchet)

Can we please have this discussion without using the Straw Man fallacy? Spyro is a character in the Crash series. The characters in the Crash universe are aware of him. He exists. He is very much a Crash character.

But he is a SPYRO character. First and foremost.

Right. But he's also a Crash character.

He can't be two things at once. If he started out life in the Crash series, then he would be a Crash character. As he didn't, he isn't. Regardless of how many games he's made an appearance in.

Of course he can be two things at once. Why can't he? Maybe if he was portrayed as a completely different character in Crash, you'd have a point, but he's not, he's the same character he is in the Spyro series.

Many people have tried to get Spyro in the Crash characters template. They've all been rejected. It's not going to work.

I don't think it's fair to reject this on the basis that's it's been rejected before.

*Do you count NiGHTS as a Sonic the Hedgehog character? The've made more cameos than Spyro did with Crash and nobody does that.

I'm not familiar with that. Spyro, on the other hand, appears in the Crash universe in a way that does not contradict the Spyro story, so it's the same character. He's even been playable in a Crash game. Therefore, he is, among other things, a Crash character.

*Same thing with NiGHTS and Sonic. Spyro just didn't come from the Crash Bandicoot Series so he ISN'T a Crash Bandicoot character.

A character doesn't have to originate in the universe to become part of the continuity. Surely Spyro deserves a place in the template. He's even been a playable character. He's a Spyro character in origin, and also a Crash character.

*I'll repeat this again... Same thing with NiGHTS and Sonic. Spyro just didn't come from the Crash Bandicoot Series so he ISN'T a Crash Bandicoot character.

How is he not? He exists in the Crash series. He's appeared numerous times. He's even been playable in the Crash series. Just because he didn't originate in the Crash universe doesn't mean he can't be a Crash character.

*So why can't NiGHTS or Billy Hatcher be a Sonic character?

I didn't say anything like that. In fact, I didn't say anything about that. What place does it have in this discussion anyway? This is about Crash and Spyro, nothing else is relevant.

See, you're doing it again. The connection between the two is EXACTLY the same, so therefore it would be unfair to treat Spyro as a Crash character when the other characters shown here are not treated as Sonic characters. You can be real stubborn, you know.

I'm not familiar with the other games, so it's not my concern whether they're treated as Sonic characters or not. Treat them as Sonic characters if you wish, I don't care. That's not what this discussion is about. Since Spyro appears in several Crash games, as the same character he's always been in Spyro games, and is even a playable character at one point, he should be in the template.

They're the same thing. If they are not, Spyro isn't. End of story.

Then treat them as if they are, I don't care. I don't know enough about those games to make a judgment on whether it's the same thing or not. Your argument is ridiculous. This discussion is about Spyro in the Crash series, which is a unique and individual case. Nothing else is relevant.

You have PROOF that it is NOT a unique and individual case, and if they don't, Spyro doesn't. You're, once again, trying to prove that your "opinions" are correct. Spyro is a character from another series, that is a fact. He has appeared in Crash games, that is also a fact. Saying he is a Crash character is an opinion, which has largely been outweighed. It's like you saying that the "Official Statement" for Crash Bandicoot did not exist, that is your opinion (and wrong at that).

And you're not trying to prove your opinions are correct? Like I've said before, stop dragging old arguments into every discussion, it's getting tiring. As for the ACTUAL discussion, I have no idea whether this other case is exactly similar to Spyro, but even if it is, 100% exactly the same situation, which I doubt it is, that just means it's a flaw that needs to be corrected, and I'd argue for it to be changed too. Even if Spyro isn't a Crash character by your standards, don't you think he deserves a place in the template due to the fact that he exists in the universe and is even playable in a Crash game?

Look, just because he makes cameo appearances doesn't mean he is a Crash character. He simply is an ongoing cameo as Sonic is to Billy Hatcher and NiGHTS. They have the exact same connection to Sonic as Spyro does to Crash, but they aren't listed as Sonic characters because they didn't COME FROM IT. You are forcing your opinions into people that Spyro is a Crash character without having anything that could be used as evidence. CBFan went to the original website as most of us have that indicated that the WoC continued from Warped and makes the most sense. I even pointed out that only the villains from Warped appeared in that game yet you made it a forced opinion that Koala Kong, Rilla Roo, Ripper Roo, and all the other villains having "stopped working for Cortex" with no evidence other than unprovable assumptions.

But Sonic, from what I've gathered, doesn't actually exist in those worlds. That's a cameo. Spyro, on the other hand does exist in the universe, his appearances don't contradict the Spyro games, but are rather a complement to it, and he's even a playable character. That is not a cameo.