Talk:The Judd School

Should this page be moved from The Judd School to Judd School? <KF> 23:07, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, the title of the school is 'The Judd School'. People will still find it if they search for 'Judd School'.

Edited twice since yesterday? Wasd the entry made not deemed suitable? And who is Halsteadk?

A former pupil of the school!

Ohhhhhh I see. Well im current meber and trust me, 10z is the best. WAY better than 12-3

Is that Keith Halstead???

After a career in the manufacturing industry Keith qualified as a Chartered Accountant with Ernst & Whinney in the City, before moving to Arthur Young´s Business Services Group. A lengthy secondment to the Government´s Business in the Community developed a strong interest in owner-managed, and often struggling, businesses. He then moved to become a partner in two provincial firms with a varied general practice portfolio.

This you? You are my hero

Sadly not, he sounds pretty well paid - I'm a civil engineer. However, I was in 10Z a "few" years ago and have to agree with you - it is the best (apart from 12-2 of course, which I was in a couple of years later). :) But sadly Wikipedia is not for subjective information....... All the best --Halsteadk 21:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Advert?

Just out of interest, are we treating this page as some sort of advert for the school? And as such, is there supposed to be no criticism, flippancy or in jokes? - Elmsters

Perhaps read WP:NPOV... seems a pretty pointless question really. Djr_xi (Talk) 17:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

In which case, mentionning of the "Bring Back Keith" campaign is merely representing on the Judd School entry how the students feel about their new headmaster. If I specify that this is how most of the students feel, then surely that's NPOV, as I'm just including their views. I could also add, for balance, that most of the teachers seem to tolerate the new headmaster, while none of them speak of him with the same respect as they did of Keith.

By the same token, the entry about Prefects seems to have been removed for no reason. I think that the entry was accurate and not that slanted. The editing of the Music section to show represent the views of the Govpol department are in fact adding balance to the entry, by showing that these rennovations still ignore some of the school's other departments, and that they perhaps feel somewhat marginalised. Perhaps you could suggest how my edits are innapropriate exactly? - Elmsters

Hi Elmsters and firstly, welcome to Wikipedia. I can't speak for Djr_xi, but as the person who previously reverted most of the anonymous edit a few days ago (perhaps this was you?), I have no problems with what you've written today. The previous contribution was too skewed to a particular viewpoint and I didn't think the comments about the head boy were particularly useful - however, some of the info on prefects was, which I then edited back in to the article (I see you have now removed this and re-written it in the Sixth Form section - and added a lot more to it in the process). It is possible to write more or less the same thing and make it unacceptable due to bad style or a slanted point of view - I think if you compare the previous contribution with what you've written that's a good enough example.

Additionally, I think the fact that you are editing as a "named" user rather than anonymously gives a lot more credibility to your edits. If you look back through the history of this page you'll find quite a lot of anonymous edits which I can only guess are from pupils of the school in their lunchbreak or IT lessons - this has been further evidenced by fairly abusive edits from the same anonymous user at a similar time on the Skinners' School page!! Wikipedia as a whole suffers a lot from vandalism by mostly anonymous users, which you'll find are quickly reverted by registered users who add the pages they have a particular interest in to their "watched pages". This of course is not to say that all anonymous contributions should be treated like this until they have been checked!

Finally, in answer to the original question, no this page, as with others on this site, is definitely not supposed to be free advertising, but is supposed to be balanced and written in a reasonably formal tone. (There are websites such as the Knowhere Guide that are more of a free-for-all, and are hence not a lot of use beyond having a bit of a laugh. At Wikipedia a lot of people, myself not necessarily included, are working very hard to create something that is an authoritative source of freely available and editable information, something that you might in future want to use as a good source of research to rival information sources you would have to pay for - the Judd School page, or any other school page, shouldn't be an exception to that.) What is "reasonable" and "balanced" is of course down to personal opinion but I would say your new contributions are there or are very close with minor, arguably knit-picking tweaking, but the previous contributions weren't on the whole appropriate.

Finally, finally - it's really interesting to see the contributions on this page such as yours and from people who are obviously current pupils, and to see how the school has changed (or not changed) since I was a pupil 12 years ago! Halsteadk 14:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Giving my two cents, "Bring Back Keith" is either non-existant or a complete joke - nothing of the sort exists at any serious level at Judd. Secondly, the views of the GovPol dept. are irrelevant for an NPOV article a) because they are opinions, b) because they are tongue-in-cheek, c) because they are completely useless to an encyclopedic article. The "marginalisation" of the "Lawton's crew" is of scant importance to the school as a whole - it only concerns a small part of the sixth form. Finally, any references to respect given to Masters relative to Starling is a) unnecessary, b) unsubstantiated, c) impossible to confirm, d) POV, e) in my POV, untrue. The views of two teachers do not represent the whole school, and any suggestion of the such is POV and should not be in Wikipedia. Djr_xi (Talk) 19:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I am a pupil at the Judd School currently and I know that Keith Starling was a much loved and respected headmaster. The bring back Keith campaign is very real and at one point a banner was hung out of the Cohen building. The banner had written on it "Bring Back Starling." And that's my two cents.

Founding Year

Sorry mate - my bad. I just saw the drainpipes at school had 1896... i forgot we'd changed sites. Djr_xi 20:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Website address

Despite User:80.189.253.203 claiming to be fixing the links, and regardless of whether the site is going to move to that address (and regardless frankly of whether I particularly care about what the school does with its website!), the .org address currently goes to an out of date version of the website, which has broken links and displays the hosting company's name in the links. No exhaustive investigation needed, this is all apparent by looking at the first few links on the front page - the ".org.uk" site currently has two newer ones, and the letters page at ".org" is broken. Please do not change the links until the site has actually transferred to that address. With respect, I'm actually assuming this anon user has no real involvement with the school's website and is just trying it on - no website developer would want to direct any visitor to a non-live version of a website, for any amount of time. And trust me, a link from Wikipedia can generate a lot of visitors - you want them ending up at the right place! Halsteadk 19:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Headmaster - Maidstone Grammar

Please note that the rumour regarding the headmaster's move to MGS has been removed by the school, and I have removed their notification of this from the article itself - description/justification for edits should not be written into the article. Unreferenced, potentially contentious issues like this should not be added into articles in the first place anyway... Halsteadk 12:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Sixth form common room

Why was the section relating to the renovation of the 6th form common room removed?

STOPMASTERS Campaign

The STOPMASTERS Campaign was set up by the student body. The current headmaster, Robert Masters, recently joined the school and many of his ideas are too competitive for the nature of the school. They believe that his ideas are made to compete with the other local grammar school, St Olave's Grammar School. The students handed in a petition at one point for review and Robert Masters took it down & threw it away without consultation. This proves that, contrary to what he says, he doesn't listen to the student body. On a survey of a small group of people, 8 were against the changes & 3 were neutral. One site has been started which can be visited at:

http://pub35.bravenet.com/forum/2957698422/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MattyW Wiki (talk • contribs) 09:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC).