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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Futurebird (talk | contribs) at 08:17, 19 February 2007 (→‎The core issue). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Wording

Should this article focus on US based racial animosity or be limited to scientific research in this field, with notations to the former

I don't agree with how this is worded. Could we plase change it to:

Should the focus be modern scientific research or should it also cover media portrayal, history, criticism etc.

I think that the current wording minimizes the issue and charterizes my concerns and the concers of others as overtly realted to racial politics. futurebird 04:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The core issue

I believe the true root of this issue is the inability of us all to assume good faith. WRN and his group truly believe that all attempts to change the article are done with the explicit purpose of trying to either denigrate or minimize the importance of what they see as important scientific research. Myself and others see their attempts to avoid change as explicitly trying to emphasize and maximize the importance of what we see as controversial claims presented as fact.

Because of this lack of faith on both sides, all edits are seen through the filter of "they're doing this for POV pushing reasons".

Of course I think I'm being more reasonable, and WRN thinks he's being more reasonable. However, neither of us really trust the other - WRN is convinced I'm simply uninformed or educated regarding the subject and I'm pushing an unscientific POV, and I'm fairly convinced that WRN has decided that his frame of the question is the ultimate one with no room for compromise.

I think what we need from this mediation are concrete ways to build faith with each other. The details of our disagreement are only outgrowths of the core issue of trust. I'm sure WRN has tried in his way, and I've tried in my way, but we've as of yet been unable to build real trust in each other. Third-party suggestions as to how we can build trust with each other are what we really need now, I believe. --JereKrischel 08:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have put this very well, Jere. futurebird 08:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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