Talk:Hurricane Fabian

Missing

No reference to Hurricane Emily (1987), previous holder of the title Bermuda's Worst Storm (hit during morning rush hour after the population was assured that it was going to miss).

Aftermath, particularly the future of the Causeway, is in desperate need of expansion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.68.108.171 (talk) 08:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

This article is about Fabian, not Emily or all other Bermuda hurricanes. From what I've read, Fabian was the worst storm since 1926, even worst than Emily. Also, I removed your addition of the following as it was unsourced. Officials would afterwards look into the possibility of replacing for the Causeway, a process that is still ongoing. This is a featured article, meaning it should be of the highest standards. Unsourced additions shouldn't be in the article. If you believe it is desperately needed, you should add it yourself with an appropriate source. Hurricanehink (talk) 12:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Information, source, etc. on replacing the causeway is available —where it belongs— on the causeway's (rather meagre) article.23:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"This article is about Fabian..." and yet makes reference to two other hurricanes in the opening section. Prior to Fabian, Emily was considered the worst storm that people had been through (1926 being a rather long time ago), for the reasons mentioned above. SharkOil.bm:Historical Storms even mentions Emily as the storm "we all remember", while its wikipedia article claims that it was the "strongest hurricane to hit Bermuda since 1948." Accurate? You would know better than I, as apparently it was you who wrote it.23:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Todo

More impact. Jdorje 21:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Here's a good site of some Bermuda information. Hurricanehink 00:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Would a picture in the above site, any picture in this photo gallery, or any of these pictures be qualified as fair use? Hurricanehink 02:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I am gonna add one thing to the Todo list-that Storm History is very small.HurricaneCraze32 00:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Deaths

Wouldn't the deaths from the drowning boat be considered direct? NHC always has them be direct, unless some other circumstance caused the crash (for example, in the 2002 Henri report, one person drowned when his boat crashed, but intoxication was evident and the death was considered indirect). Hurricanehink 12:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, those deaths were direct. I added a deaths table to clarify. — jdorje (talk) 18:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Nice job, but some todo

Good job at revising the article. I think this has excellent potential for a GA (even A or featured) article, but to achieve that better, some things may need to be resolved. For example, some portions may require cleanup, and the article may need to be shortened and cleaned a bit more (though not much). Otherwise, the whole article is perfect as it is, devotes plenty of well-stated detail to all aspects (introduction, storm history, preparations, impact, and trivia), and is well-written. It is also very accurate in most areas. If both of that is accomplished, we may well have a GA, A, or featured article. CapeVerdeWave 22:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

You do mean "A or featured", yes? :P – Chacor 03:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Edited my mistake. Sorry for the error! CapeVerdeWave 11:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool, glad my hours of work paid off. Curious, what sections in particular need cleanup? The main reason I included so much detail is to give a more realistic feel. Only going through the basics (X houses were damaged, some people were injured, etc.) makes it feel like the hurricane almost didn't even happen. However, excessive parts can probably be trimmed. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

If that was the intent, it worked out nicely. Not much really needs to be fixed. The impact section may need to be shortened and made more neat ("clean"), as the long section can induce some portions not sounding smooth when read out loud. The storm history section may also need to be shortened and made neater somewhat. Otherwise, don't remove any details from any portion of the article. Only those portions (storm history and impact) need to be shortened so that the writing flows better, but try to do it without removing any of the details currently in place in those sections. They (those two sections) just need to shortened and organized into smoother writing, and not by much. Other than that, leave the article and the sections as they are, and while shortening and smoothing the flow of the writing in those two sections, don't remove any of the details from them. Just shorten the writing of those two sections and improve the flow of the details in those two sections.

EDIT - Actually, looking over the article once more, the writing does seem to flow smoothly enough, so I don't think any sections need to be shortened now. The article is good as it is. The main reason why I requested two of the sections to be shortened somewhat was that I originally thought, along with smoothing the writing flow, that one of Wikipedia's GA requirements for articles is for them to not be overly long-winded. Actually, however, I like the new style Hurricanehink is adopting for this article. Do not shorten any sections. The article is good as it is. Sorry for the change in my thoughts, but after looking over at the article, I've decided to retract my opinion on shortening two of the sections. Leave the article as it is! CapeVerdeWave 11:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. The only problem right now is the lack of an impact image. This newspaper article or this one has an impact pic, meaning it would usable due to {{tl:newspapercover}}, but they might be so small that it would hardly be seen if the entire page was used. What should be done? Hurricanehink (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is a good Bermuda link with plenty of (larger) photos before, during, and after Fabian from all over the island in various parts, and plenty of information on where those pictures were taken on Bermuda and what damages they show, as well as what they show before and during the storm. Since these images are copyrighted, is it fine to add some of these to the article as long as credit is given to this person and site? CapeVerdeWave 12:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

No, since they're copyrighted we can't use them at all. If we asked them and got their permission, we might be able to, but worst comes to worst the pics in the article are pretty good. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, all true. I knew there would probably issues with the copyrighted images that would prevent them from being added to the article. By the way, what happened to the GA nomination possibility for this article? It seems more than B-class, in my opinion. Are you just doing a peer review before submitting a nomination for GA, A, or FA? Just curious. CapeVerdeWave 13:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yea, I'll be doing a peer review, and once that's done, I'll FAC it. GAN takes too long, and will probably be shorter if we do peer review right away. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, FAC time. :) Hurricanehink (talk) 17:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the article

•Please compare in the Impact section the length on Bermuda, compared to those on the Caribbean and the United States. Furthermore, here is the articles description of what the storm was: "Hurricane Fabian was a powerful Cape Verde-type hurricane that hit Bermuda...".

•"a someone" is not a correct grammatical construction. Your claim to the contrary is false.

•There are no boy scout troops in Bermuda. This is a simple fact. Your claim to the contrary is a lie.23:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC) (P.S.: done for the day)

• • The impact section isn't the only part of the article. The storm history is in ambiguous territory, but because it is in the jurisdiction of the National Hurricane Center, is uses American spelling. If the article was solely on Bermuda's impact from the hurricane, the British spelling would be warranted, though as it stands, it is the Atlantic basin in general. A someone is grammatically correct, actually. A quick Google search of "a someone" yields 653,000 hits. The term "local" in the Aftermath referred to South Carolina, though I suppose it makes sense without it. Please discuss it further before reverting again. BTW, I restored the section so we can discuss it. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I am going to assume that your use of google as a grammatical aid is a joke in poor taste. By the way, please try a search of: someone -"a someone", and compare.

The "Storm History" isn't the only part either. How about we look at what there is?

Introduction: Bermuda

Storm History: Ambiguous, with references to Cape Verde, Newfoundland, Greenland and Iceland

Preparation: Bermuda (Exclusive)

Impact: 8/10 Bermuda, 1/10 Caribbean, 1/10 United States (paragraph space)

Aftermath: Bermuda

...ergo it should use American spelling? Another joke, I presume?

Out of nineteen paragraphs, fourteen focus on Bermuda. One focuses on the United States. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.68.109.119 (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

As it has been nearly a week, I am reverting the article. 08:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no consensus for this change; further reversions will be seen as going against consensus and could get you blocked. Wait for discussion. – Chacor 08:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Hurricanehink and User:Chacor have both refused to enter into the discussion in the past week, and both have been active in that time. Furthermore, you are now in the process of threatening me; I can only assume that it is with the intent of forcing through your personal POV. 00:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No one is threatening you. We are just letting you know the facts. The Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject has hundreds of articles to deal with, and we prefer to have a similarity among them. If you go for only the spelling, then why not the units? The answer to that is because of uniformity. The WPTC has agreed to keep Atlantic articles in imperial units and, for the most part, American spelling due to the National Hurricane Center's power of authority. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You refused to argue a counter-point for a week. After that time, I made note of this on the talk page and reverted the article, at which point {{User:Chacor]] immediately appeared and started to throw the word "block" around. That is a threat. At any rate, you have yet to argue your point. Oh, and please tell me that you and Chacor are indeed different people, thank you. 00:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)