Talk:Gin Ichimaru

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It should be noted that Ichimaru Gin does indeed use exrteme or heavy Sarcasm. The author and the artist also admitted to the fact that he makes his chracter tall and thin. Kenpachi's mentioning of Ichimaru and Tosen being fearful of death was only an assumption and not a fact. Please do not put your opinions.

We aren't putting our opinions. Saying that he uses sarcasm is itself enough, we don't need to add charged words such as "extreme" or "heavy" to it. The tall and thin part has been removed as irrelevant before, but it's being kept for now. And if a character states something explicitly and we have nothing to counteract it, then it is assumed to be the provisional canon truth about the issue. --Tjstrf 07:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kenpachi's remark has significance not only because it's canon (and if you can read, it says in the article very clearly that this is not proven fact, but something a character said), but also because he points out Tousen and Ichimaru as cowards, pretty much, even though Tousen has nothing to do with the situation at the time (the encounter is with Kuchiki). From that we can clearly derive that the remark has more meaning than just a character's opinion, but means to say something about the characters in question. Also, please create an account and/or sign your name. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gin's eyes are not red in the manga, so I took out any references to his (anime-only) red eyes. They are shown to be a blue-ish tint on the cover of volume 20 of the manga (pics used under fair use, blah blah blah): http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/3409/gin13br.jpg http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9310/gin22wb.jpg [anonymous edit]

This is a major edit: rewrote the entire article adding a lot of extra detail/information, correcting problems, et cetera while trying to preserve existing information. Seems someone did an edit while I was doing mine; specifically they added that paragraph in the character outline with Kenpachi's mention so I preserved that and a change to the word "extreme" to "occassionally" in regard to Gin's sarcasm. Re-added the eyecolor thing mentioning both the anime and manga. I haven't really read the manga so correct the data as necessary. JustSomeGuy 12:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We appreciate that you made an overhaul, although you should take into account that some things are in the article for a reason (or written the way they are for a reason). You may particularly want to read up some Wikipedia policies, such as Wikipedia:Naming conventions and our own policies (Talk:Bleach (manga)). -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just read more of your edits, so just to save you some time, I will tell you some common Wikipedia policies and/or guidelines, and ours, which you should pay attention to.

Wikipedia:

Naming conventions - due to technical reasons, all titles must be written in lowercase, except the first word. An exception is made when the title includes proper names, for example, Character outline, but Characters in Bleach.
Date formatting - should be Month + Date, i.e. September 10. This should also be linked, i.e. September 10. This is also due to technical reasons.
Linking - do not like to disambiguation pages or other unrelated pages, such as hollow. Find the proper link.
Linking - do not link twice to the same thing in the article, unless the links are far apart and absolutely necessary for reader understanding.

Our conventions

Each article has a Character outline, History, ZANPAKUTŌ NAME, Trivia and sometimes a Synopsis section. Also the standard ones like See also and External links. It's best to keep it this way in all articles.
Things that should be under Synopsis should not be under History if a full synopsis is given. Many articles have a partial synopsis and therefore it's under history, but that's not good and we're working on fixing that.
Mentioning specific fansub and scanlation groups in Bleach-related articles is absolutely taboo. Actually I personally oppose this, but I was overruled at an earlier time.

Hope these basic guidelines help you on your way to editing Wikipedia.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Also, try not to link to articles which shouldn't even exist because they aren't notable enough - e.g. sōkyoku and Jidanbō. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, my first time as you can probably tell. Anyway... I saw that in the edit prior to mine close-linking of the same thing so I decided to remove that and instead I would link the first mention in every subsection. The hollow thing was an oversight. Can't say I really see how there's a technical problem rendering total title capitalization; maybe dates though. I guess they need to integrate some type of article-group template system here if subsection title consistency is that important. >_< Anyway, that's some enlightening information. JustSomeGuy 18:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the capitalization thing is a result of lack of early planning of the MediaWiki software development. Basically they made two errors which are now causing this:

All titles will have an uppercase first letter. You can try - try to create an article named a Test and you will get A Test (don't save though).
Case-insensitive linking to articles and sections only works as long as only the first letter is capitalized. That is, if you have a section title like Character outline, [[Gin Ichimaru#Character Outline]] or [[Gin Ichimaru#ChArAcTeR OuTline]] will all link to the same thing. However, if the title is Character Outline, [[Gin Ichimaru#Character outline]] or [[Gin Ichimaru#Character OutLine]] will no longer work. Maybe this is a slightly bad example, but consider titles with 4-5 words (including small ones), like List of hospitals in New York City.

This is of course the reasoning behind the policy. It does not mean that the grammar is improper or anything. I know that English has a grammar rule that all words of a title must be capitalized; blame the Wiki developers I guess ;) although I think they fixed both issues in Wiktionary.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ichimaru Ginyote

This is Gin's full name, Gin is a short form for Ginyote, so shouldn't his true name be listed in the article???

When Gin meets Rukia, who was taken to her execution, he tells her that she should adress him as such..