Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. William Williams

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The result was delete. I will move the article to User:Paulmcdonald/J. William Williams for now. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

J. William Williams

Does not appear to meet WP:BIO, WP:ATHLETE or WP:NOTABILITY and article lacks non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent sources. See also a similar AFD currently in progress at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter J. West. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No comments as the article does not clear several norms to stay on wikipedia. Kalivd (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please Move Discussion All of a sudden, there are a large number of college football head coach articles being considered for deletion. There has always been a trickle--one or two at a time, but my current count shows 28 articles for deletion, and I'm sure I'm missing many. One editor has achieved a deletion of Walter J. West and is now claiming "precedent" to delete coaches. I suggest (and have been suggesting for some time now) moving these argument to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Notability so that we can have a uniform and open discussion about what truly makes a notable college football coach. This will prevent arguing article-at-a-time and help to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. It will prevent a "scramble" on both sides of the argument and make for a single place to come to a true consensus instead of a hit-or-miss end result.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedence at Walter J. West. Dpmuk (talk) 12:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Walter J. West is not precedent, but one AfD that "slipped through" the process. There many, many, many, many other articles very very similar that have passed the AfD process.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I hardly call that many people !voting delete a slip through. And being that it was the most recent AFD it does technically make it precedence. -Djsasso (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm sure you don't, but it's not about you (or me either)--it's about consensus. The College Football season has started up, and our project team has spent the bulk of its "WikiTime" on updating existing articles with current new information from this season, and historical articles have generally taken a back seat to the workload. I therefore argue that the AfD in question did indeed "slip through" because we as a project were distracted by all those pesky current events and did not have time to focus on one historical article AfD. An AfD that you and two (or maybe three) other editors are now citing as "precedence" to target deletions of historic college footbal head coach articles.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not a vote Oh, and AfD discussions are not a voting process...--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Every other sport project manages to take care of both historic and current events at the same time. What makes it so hard for college football editors from doing the same thing? -Djsasso (talk) 16:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Volume 58 all at once with plans from editors to target more, as seen at User talk:Kittybrewster#Please slow down--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:BIO and WP:NOTE in that article lacks non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. -Djsasso (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or merge into a List of Dickinson College Red Devils Head Football Coaches. Seems like there might be reliable third-party coverage about this coach. If not, then perhaps even trivial coverage could be combined with other coverage of other coaches to form a notable list. Randomran (talk) 20:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I wouldn't have a problem with a list. -Djsasso (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request As discussed on the AfD talk page, if this article (or any of the series of articles) is closed as a delete, please kindly first move the article to User:Paulmcdonald/Articlename, where "Articlename" is the name of the article (or articles) being removed. Also, please note the new page location at User:Paulmcdonald/deletedcoach so we can be sure to find the moved page.
Why? There have been, at present count, 58 articles of our project placed on the AfD list and there is just not enough time to adequately and appropriately respond and ultimately improve the articles themselves. This would give the project memebers time to work on improving the articles. This request should in no way imply that I believe that the article (or articles) in quesiton should be deleted at this time. I am making a simple cut-n-paste request due to the sheer volume of AfDs in such a short period of time.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into list per Randomran. A school as small as this doesn't have coaches with automatic notability for individuals. matt91486 (talk) 22:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response What does the size of the school have to do with notability? WP:NOTBIGENOUGH covers this well, as well as that pesky CFB:N essay that a couple people here dislike so much. But to reiterate... The "size" of the school does not disqualify for notability. Many small colleges are proving grounds for coaches that go on to great fame. When Pop Warner started coaching at Georgia, there were only 126 students enrolled.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Pop Warner later went on to do things that meet WP:NOTE that is the big difference. -Djsasso (talk) 01:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Still doesn't overcome WP:NOTBIGENOUGH.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, yet another article about a non-notable football coach. Stifle (talk) 10:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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