Talk:Year Up

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Logo to add

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

Hello, I'm an employee of Year Up, taking over from my former colleague who submitted this article for review, and representing the organization on Wikipedia.

Now that this article is part of the encyclopedia, I would like to offer a logo file that can be added to the infobox. Although I'd hoped to upload this myself to make it easier for editors, I'm not able to because my account is too new, so I'm providing a link to a logo file for editors to use.

Here's the file link [1] for the Year Up logo.

Can an editor help me with this? Thank you so much! LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 21:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I cannot upload a logo for you. Please refer to the following link to do it yourself. PK650 (talk) 09:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying, PK650. I'll try again on uploading and see if I'm able to get it to work, then I'll make another request here. LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 16:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi again! I'm making another request as I've uploaded the logo now. Can an editor please add it to the infobox?

Here's the logo file: File:Year Up logo 2023.png

Thanks again, LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 20:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 10-JUL-2023

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Sorry about that, when I checked the Summary code the author part wasn't showing up for me so I had to figure out how to add it. I think it's fixed now.

Thanks again, LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 11-JUL-2023

Edit request implemented Spintendo 00:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Hi User:Alexandermcnabb and User:CNMall41, would you both be able to discuss with me about the tag added to the top of the Year Up article relating to notability? I'd love to understand how I can help confirm notability. I'd thought that when the draft was submitted by my colleague and it was reviewed via the Articles for Creation process, it was felt that Year Up is notable based on the references. Is there something else that I can provide now to show notability?

The organization has been around for over 20 years and we've received significant coverage during that time, including academic journal articles and research reports, and media such as a 60 Minutes report, and even the more recent New York Times coverage. I know that there's not a lot of sources listed in the references, I can suggest some ones to add if that would help?

Thanks so much! LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 21:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was Alexandermcnabb who placed the tag on the page you would need to ask them about their notability concern. I see it was me who approved this through the articles for creation process but being "approved" is only a peer-review and not necessarily a stamp saying that someone else cannot disagree. Obviously they did which means it could be a candidate for AfD where the community as a whole can decide. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, CNMall41. Appreciate your thoughts.

Alexandermcnabb, let me know if you're willing to discuss.

Also, I noticed that Frgmsk resolved the tag and commented that it seemed to meet the criteria for notability the other day but then reverted it upon seeing this discussion.

Thanks for your engagement on this topic! LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 20:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Being that Frgmsk has very few edits, I would find it suspicious that they would remove the tag in the first place. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi folks. I have a concern regarding the tone of the coverage presented, which appears to be the result of PR outreach rather than third party, secondary coverage independent of the subject. It is, to be fair, a mild concern and would be resolved if a couple of those there Google Scholar hits were added into the article - and perhaps a review of the tone of the article itself (do Mr Chevarian's motivations really belong in an encyclopaedic article?). I'll then happily remove the tag or defer to @CNMall41 to do so - or indeed CNMall41 or any other editor who thinks I'm incorrect to worry about notability can do so at any time - the tag is a request for pairs of eyes rather than an outright condemnation! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:48, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Alexandermcnabb - I appreciate your comments! Would it be appropriate for me to suggest some of the edits you mention, given my COI? Again, I really appreciate the dialog and support as a wiki-newbie. LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 15:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tone needs fixed for sure. As far as notability, it may be more appropriate to add "sources available but need added" tag as opposed to notability but I don't really have an opinion on removing the current notability tag. Maybe allow the edit requests to run through and get everything taken care of at once. Cheers! --CNMall41 (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Would it be best to start a new edit request here with suggestions on tone and sources? LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 22:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notability follow-up

The user below has a request that an edit be made to Year Up. That user has an actual or apparent conflict of interest.
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This request is a follow-up to my discussion above with User:Alexandermcnabb and User:CNMall41 about the tag added to the top of the Year Up article relating to notability.

From their suggestions, I have some requests to update the article:

1. The first few sentences of the History, about Chertavian's background, could be trimmed back.

Text now: The organization was founded in Boston in 2000 by Gerald Chertavian,^[1] who worked as a banker on Wall Street and later co-founded a software company.^[2] Chertavian participated in the Big Brother program and helped his "little brother" gain a college education. He wanted to find a way to help others with similar backgrounds access education and career opportunities that they might otherwise not be aware of or have the support to apply for.^[3]

Trimmed text: The organization was founded in Boston in 2000 by Gerald Chertavian,^[1] who worked as a banker on Wall Street and later co-founded a software company.^[2]^[3]

2. Also in the History, the sentences about the initial Boston cohort of students could be trimmed, if editors feel that would help tone.

Text now: In June 2002, Year Up's first class of students graduated its one-year program.^[4] The program had started in Boston in 2001 with 22 students,^[3] seventy percent of whom were from the Greater Boston area. Fourteen of the participants received job offers for roles with average salaries of $35,000 per year.^[4]

Trimmed text: In June 2002, Year Up's first class of students graduated its one-year program.^[4] The program had started in Boston in 2001 with 22 students,^[3] seventy percent of whom were from the Greater Boston area.^[4]

3. To help add academic sources, the following reference could be used to clarify the age of Year Up's participants.

New text for the program section: As of 2018, the program was aimed at young people and accepted participants aged between 18 and 24 years old.^[5]

Before I offer other sources to add, I wanted to get feedback about how best to do that. I've erred on the side of using the source to add straightforward information, but if there's another way editors would prefer to see such sources used, I'd be grateful for guidance. Thanks so much!

References

^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference Geekwire was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference CNBC was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Kooker, Naomi (2006-10-19). "Gerald Chertavian: The equalizer". Boston Business Journal. Retrieved 2023-01-27.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Levy, Doug (2002-06-20). "Year Up pays off for these grads". The Boston Herald.
^ Bloom, Dan; Miller, Cynthia (2018). Helping Young People Move Up: Findings from Three New Studies of Youth Employment Programs (Report). MDRC. Retrieved 2023-09-15.

LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 20:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your proposal addresses wording within the page. However, that is not related to notability. Notability comes from significant coverage in reliable sources. Can you have a look at WP:ORGCRIT and provide some sourcing that meets this guideline? That would help evaluate the notability concerns and if the tag should be removed. I will do a search in the meantime but will wait for your response in case I miss anything in my own search. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, User:CNMall41 and User:STEMinfo. I have some more sources to share and I wanted to explain my request above. I was intending to respond to User:Alexandermcnabb's note "It is, to be fair, a mild concern and would be resolved if a couple of those there Google Scholar hits were added into the article - and perhaps a review of the tone of the article itself (do Mr Chevarian's motivations really belong in an encyclopaedic article?)."

So, based on that, I was making this first request to 1) help address tone and 2) add one new source to the page from the Google Scholar results for Year Up. Does that make sense?

I'm happy to also provide more media coverage that is in-depth about the organization, and I believe that some of the existing sources may meet that standard already? For instance, the NYT piece is independent, reliable, secondary and provides significant information about Year Up and the Heinrich journal article in Focus is likewise independent, reliable, secondary and provides an analytical review of the program's performance as well as providing information about how the program is organized.

Here are some other sources that I hope meet the standard:

If these sources would help, what is the best way to integrate them? Thanks again for continuing to engage with me on this topic! LIrwin with Year Up (talk) 16:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[2][3][4] Boston Globe coverage not included in article. STEMinfo (talk) 22:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Geekwire-1] Cite error: The named reference Geekwire was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[CNBC-2] Cite error: The named reference CNBC was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[BostonBusinessJournal2006-3] Kooker, Naomi (2006-10-19). "Gerald Chertavian: The equalizer". Boston Business Journal. Retrieved 2023-01-27.

[BostonHerald02-4] Levy, Doug (2002-06-20). "Year Up pays off for these grads". The Boston Herald.

[5] Bloom, Dan; Miller, Cynthia (2018). Helping Young People Move Up: Findings from Three New Studies of Youth Employment Programs (Report). MDRC. Retrieved 2023-09-15.

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