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Hi ToBeFree, can you help provide some guidelines on how to resolve article censorship, and link hijacking?

A new article was created for Political views of Javier Milei, however shortly after the article was created and added to the main article Javier Milei, the new article on the same topic was created Political positions of Javier Milei, and the link on the main article was redirected to the new article instead; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javier_Milei&diff=prev&oldid=1182023220

Then the content of the old article was deleted !!!, and a redirect to the newly created one was added; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Political_views_of_Javier_Milei&diff=prev&oldid=1182011968

After fixing this, it was reverted again by another user; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Political_views_of_Javier_Milei&diff=prev&oldid=1182268028

The main article still directs to the new POVFORK Political positions of Javier Milei, instead of the original article Political views of Javier Milei.

A discussion was opened, but no response; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Political_views_of_Javier_Milei#NPOV_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gobonobo#Reminder:_Discussion_invitation_Political_views_of_Javier_Milei

Thanks for any guidelines or help with this! Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 13:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pedantic Aristotle, thanks for asking.
Removing content that is perceived to be biased or unverifiable, especially about living people, is neither "vandalism" (1) nor "censorship" (2) in the way performed by authoritarian governments. Creating a new article with the intent of neutrally describing a subject is also not "vandalism" (3). Vandalism on Wikipedia means doing intentional damage to the encyclopedia. It is highly unlikely that Gobonobo or Piertosiri had bad intentions when redirecting the article.
That said, disputes about whether an article should exist or not are usually held at WP:Articles for deletion, not by edit warring. If people already agree that an article should exist and the current one is not neutral, then replacing it by a redirect instead of fixing the issues can only be a temporary measure. Creating a second article about the same topic can also only be a temporary measure.
In such situations, having one central discussion about the issue is important, and starting an RfC to collect as many uninvolved experienced opinions as possible would be a good idea.
As multiple articles exist that attempt to cover the same topic, the talk page of any of them is unsuitable to hold the central discussion. Please continue at Talk:Javier_Milei#POVFORK_of_political_positions.
Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I don't know their intentions, and I'm sure they are acting in good faith, but are you sure these actions are not considered vandalism? They are deleting content of an article, and redirecting the article to a POVFORK they prefer without discussion or consensus? I don't see how that contributes towards improving the encyclopedia, nor how it could be allowed.
But will discuss in RfC as you propose. Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pedantic Aristotle, a user acting in good faith is per definition not vandalizing. You mean "disruptive editing".
Perfect, thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noted, thanks! Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 16:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pedantic Aristotle, sorry for the confusion: I have now started a proper deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political views of Javier Milei as the RfC is essentially a deletion discussion for two articles. I should have thought about this earlier. Maybe you'd like to modify your discussion invitations to point to the deletion discussion instead, or I can also do so if you agree. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:B4blaze

Hey, I'd like to beef up this article with more refs. Can you move this WP:B4blaze to draft space? Jigar1984 (talk) 16:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jigar1984, looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B4Blaze... do you have specific references in mind? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IPv6 range

Hi there, guess who's back to take up your time again. 😃 Special:Contributions/2601:243:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 looks like a shared IP range as it has a mix of good edits like typo fixes, misguided things like copypastes, and your typical silly vandalism and test edits. Mainly it just needs more eyes on it. The admin noticeboards don't seem like the appropriate place to put this, and not sure about the Pump either so hey I figured you could be volunteered to see what you thought would be the best course of action here! I just stumbled upon a random bit of scribbling from it on an article, and smartly thought to go look up the overall range seeing as it's IPv6. Cheers and hope your day/night is going well! 47.155.41.104 (talk) 04:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 47.155.41.104, your description sounds as if you had opened a list of all contributions from unregistered users and new accounts. 😉 You can probably increase the range size up to /0 without seeing a significant change in quality. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AE Request

Hi ToBeFree,

I recently filed an AE Request relating to GWA88, who you blocked along with myself in early July. It seems that this filing has been interpreted as a retaliatory action for your prior block.

I'm not sure if this is because I received a second block this month and there may be some mix-up over the two blocks, making it seem like I immediately filed the AE request on GWA88, after a block resulting from a GWA88's filing had expired. Given that 4 months has passed with no action from myself, I don't think this interpretation is reasonable.

Could you have a look and add a comment if you feel it is appropriate? Carter00000 (talk) 08:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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