Talk:Russian landing ship Novocherkassk

Now seeing additional photo of an example mission, unable to determine of its the ship. Novocherkask ship- See https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143172430

Protected

I have fully protected the article for a week due to the ongoing edit warring. Please use this page to discuss what should occur and, if necessary, ask for opinions at relevant noticeboards or wikiprojects. Any administrator can remove the protection if a consensus emerges. Johnuniq (talk) 04:11, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First of all my apologies for the small amount of edit warring. I have only been concise in my edit summaries for the reverts I was making within the article and tried to follow proper procedure however this was rewarded with a new editor being hostile.

Anyways on to the article. Current sources provided and available information is that the ship has been reportedly destroyed. Furthermore the sources provided have created their articles based on a single telegram statement, now that telegram statement would not be accepted as a source on its own so I don't quite understand how articles simply repeating are accepted. There has been no visual confirmation of a complete loss so the article should currently be in the present tense. If a visual confirmation is obtained or there are more reports of a complete loss from reputable sources then I understand the changing of the articles tense however two sources which are simply repeating a telegram statement doesn't seem good enough to me. Also with this being a current event and it likely to change quickly a consensus may be hard to come by, I believe at this current time I am correct however in a few hours more reports could emerge that the ship is a confirmed loss so not sure the protection of the page for 7 days is the best course of action. Brandon Downes (talk) 05:04, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you're saying that new sources might soon clarify the issue making protection redundant, that's not a problem because I am watching and if I miss anything people are welcome to ping me. All that is needed is some agreement about what should happen and the protection will be removed. If I'm not around, ask at WP:RPPD. Or, if you happen to agree with the statement in the next section you might comment saying that. If there appears to be no opposition I can make a requested edit, or if I'm not around, use WP:EDITREQUEST. Johnuniq (talk) 05:20, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested edit

In the History section, in the second paragraph, someone replaced "several" with "a number of", which is vague and unnecessary. The sentence would be fine without it: I suggest deleting "a number of", leaving the end of the sentence to read: "...Novocherkassk was docked in the port of Berdiansk in southern Ukraine with other Russian warships." -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lock down ?

I’m seeing some other sources now confirming a significant attack - so something’s going on. Maybe a day lockdown to let info consolidate, but a week would be much too long. J (talk) 05:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I 100% agree something has happened I just don't believe we have enough evidence (considering the current evidence is one telegram statement) to say that the ship is a complete loss and should therefore change the article from present to past tense. Brandon Downes (talk) 05:32, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I downgraded the protection to semi. It would have been better if a couple of people had said they agreed with the current state of the article (or some other specified state) but it's easy to try this for a while and see what happens. Anyone thinking of reverting the current state should first examine WP:EW. Johnuniq (talk) 06:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tye destruction of the ship is stated by official and verified AFU StartCom account (https://t.me/AFUStratCom/21854), as well as by Ukrainian Air Forces spokesperson (https://t.me/kpszsu/8903).

Telegram is considered an official way of communication of governmental and military institutions in Ukraine as far as accounts are verified.

Russian military confirmed that the ship was ‘damaged’, but denies it's full destruction. 176.37.2.231 (talk) 08:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the videos you can see the ship completely exploding in a big fireball. So much for "damaged". DerElektriker (talk) 09:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]