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Hensel twins

Hi is Reddit a reliable source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/130ncpd/conjoined_twins_britt_and_abby_are_now_married/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Mostafa.noori (talk) 17:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not, unless it is her own Reddit account. See WP:REDDIT and WP:BLP. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Freddie Gibbs

Freddie has 4 kids. His first child which is his daughter. His second child is his first son. His 3rd child is his 2nd girl and his 4th is due any time now. CoolPants617 (talk) 11:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CoolPants617, that might be true, but you need to provide an inline citation to a reliable source to support this information, especially because it relates to a living person. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It’s on his Instagram lol 24.91.155.9 (talk) 14:56, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arudou Debito

Hello. You reverted a small addition of critical information in the first paragraph of the Wiki page, explaining that Arudou Debito, who has had several names and now is called Debito Beamer, has apparently reclaimed his American citizenship. (A call to the San Bernardino Board of Elections at +1-909-387-8300 should confirm the general registration.)

So the amended entry simply points out that Mr. Beamer has since reacquired his American citizenship. He can vote.

When you consider the entry itself, why this person is even significant is that he went to Japan, did some social protests or advocacy or litigation, that gained notoriety in a small community of expats, and then gave up his U.S. citizenship. But then, you want to hide the fact that he later returned to America and reacquired his U.S. citizenship?

What does Wikipedia stand for, exactly? Are these self-promotion pages, or ones that accurately chronicle the lives of the supposed significant noteable personages?

Make the call. An actual call. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blofit (talk • contribs) 13:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blofit, please always read edit summaries. I provided some links in my edit summary to help you understand why your addition can't be included. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the problem, though. You say, you can't use a public record. However, the evidence, the truth, is in the public record. This seems to leave Wikipedia, which you edit, in the position where it puts forth something that isn't exactly true. And then the reader, like myself, has to do the actual digging to discover that, in fact, Wikipedia is spreading falsehoods. Many expats who live in Japan believe that Mr. Beamer gave up his U.S. citizenship. But he went and got it back. That's valid for the entry, isn't it? What exactly is the whole Arudou Debito entry supposed to increase our knowledge about? How isn't it just self-promotion by someone who gets to selectively edit what other people bringing objective criticism have to say? Perhaps that's why the entry itself is controversial? Blofit (talk) 14:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did not write the policy, but I adhere to it because the community has agreed to it. There really isn't much more to add. I suggest you start a discussion on the article talk page; you might have a case to omit his citizenship altogether in light of your research. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except, there isn't anything on the link you offer that says that publicly accessible information can't be used on Wikipedia. It only says about "edit warring", which anymore seems to be that one person proposes and edit, and someone else decides to revert, without doing any legwork. What good does a discussion on the talk page do (and there is one)? It really sounds like the winner in Wikipedia is the loudest screamer, and that will always be the insignificant person with a wiki page, using it to promote how they look at themselves in the mirror. Blofit (talk) 15:44, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLPPRIMARY: Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents [like voter records], to support assertions about a living person. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, see, here is the problem. I go to what you reference: "Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses." It's clear that what the rule means to control is assertions that arise out of things like trial transcripts or other court documents. And also, public records that offer information which is somewhat very personal. In this particular instance, though, the noteable feature or notoriety of the candidate is that he went to another country, became a civil rights activist, and gave up his original citizenship. Now, there is a record, which is a public record, that he went back and got his old citizenship. I think that is a little different than "exercise extreme caution in using primary sources." In fact, the primary source (evidence that the subject votes in America and is therefore an American citizen) is actually your best evidence as an editor. Are you going to wait until some third-party journal happens to print that the subject happens to be voting back in his native country? This is different than saying "it was alleged in court documents that the subject was in fact near the address of 777 East Rialto Avenue in San Bernardino California where the Board of Elections is located." The subject actually registered and had it accepted. So I am at loss in what to say. So much of Wikipedia is based off records available to the public that are not trial transcripts or court records. Blofit (talk) 16:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You continue to make poorly sourced assertions about a living person despite several warnings, which is prohibited even on user talk pages. The policy I cite in my previous comment is unequivocal. You're free to reject Wikipedia's policies, but that also means that you can not contribute here. Add any further comments to the article talk page. I have nothing more to add. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalism : misunderstanding

Hello, I think you've misunderstood my assessment over Piketty's condition to tackle down the rise in inequality; I didn't claim that regulation and free-market economies were compatible, on the contrary: according to Piketty rises in inequality occur naturally if there is no regulation, thus the only way to strike down these rises is through regulation and taxation.

Thanks in advance for giving me a reply and have a nice day. MDCCCC (talk) 19:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MDCCCC, the quote you cite does not directly support the text you added. It seems that Piketty simply made the observation that "high taxation progressivity made gross-income distribution more equal" in the 20th century, not that taxation and "state intervention" are a means to tackle wealth inequality generally. If you want to include the information, you need to rephrase it to more accurately reflect the source. I propose adding Piketty observed that "high taxation progressivity made gross-income distribution more equal" in the 20th century. However, I don't speak French, so I'm not sure if this is a faithful translation of the quote. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 19:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, I'll come up with a better quote next time, thank you for having time to respond me. MDCCCC (talk) 19:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Malloy - Unreliable source?

Was the IMDB link to the Bizarre Murders episode considered an unreliable source? I saw that source #14 cited IMDB in a similar way. I had just seen the entire episode on Pluto TV and, though they'd changed some details (NYC : Chicago; et al.), the story was clearly based on Michael Malloy. Thx! Knoxbox01 (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Knoxbox01, yes, IMDb is an unreliable source because it contains user-generated content that is poorly vetted by IMDb's editorial board, see WP:IMDB. It should therefore never be used to reference information in articles. Its only acceptable use on Wikipedia is as an external link. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ballinger talk page

Hi. Would you kindly fix the indenting at the bottom of the Talk page so we can see who is speaking? I'm afraid to do it, since I have been accused of various things on the Talk page. I don't want to be accused of improperly moving people's comments around. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, oh, I assumed that's how it should be done since I was not responding to the comment right above me but to Nemov's comment. I.e. when there are multiple editors responding to a single comment, all of them should be on the same level of indentation so to speak. At least that's how I've seen most talk pages formatted. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:06, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer for each response to be indented chronologically, so it is easy to see who spoke, and in what order, but some people do it your way, so OK, if you so prefer it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article says that he met Ballinger when he was 13, and she sent the gift to him when he was 15, just to illustrate how these "sources" are just repeating stuff they see on social media. BTW, I have never found Insider to be a bastion of fact-checking. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, yikes! Misrepresentation of the facts would be an argument to discard that particular Insider article. Then again, I'm not sure we should take The Sun at their word either. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 23:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Right, none of these gossip sources has actually looked into the story. They are just looking at the videos posted and sloppily summarizing them. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your deletion of the brackets. MOS:ELLIPSES does not call for any. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

main article

Just to let you know that you're at 4 reverts and should participate in this BLPN discussion[1] if you see anything that should be reverted. Morbidthoughts (talk) 20:36, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Morbidthoughts, and three of those (1, 2, 3) were poorly sourced, contentious BLP content removals, one of the exemptions outlined at WP:3RRNO. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The BLP exemption is never guaranteed, and that's why it's better to get others involved. Morbidthoughts (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well familiar with 3RR and trust my judgment regarding exemptions. Thank you. I don't care to participate in frivolous discussions that paint me as biased right from the outset. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Candy Crush page edit

Hi, you removed my edit about obtaining rewards in Candy Crush through watching ads, requesting a source. Here is a source, please restore the edit.

https://digiday.com/marketing/how-the-designers-of-candy-crush-maintain-the-balance-between-monetization-and-fun/

Thank you 2604:3D09:348F:D000:A9A1:C80D:C1DE:D1CF (talk) 15:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may restore the edit yourself. If you need help citing sources, see Wikipedia:Citing sources. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rainbow flag: Andean Indigenism

On the page for Rainbow flag you removed my edit. I edited the text because the cited "source" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag#cite_note-Fotw-IncaEmpire-18) does neither state that Tupac Amaru used the rainbow flag nor can be even called a "reliable" source since it is a collection of flags posted by users. In all the wikipedia articles about Tupac Amaru you can see this flag: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_de_la_rebeli%C3%B3n_de_1780.svg The wikipedia article about the Flag of Cusco also confirms that the rainbow flag was only associated with the Incan Empire in the 1970s without any evidence. (Flag of Cusco) So Tupac Amaru did most certainly not use the Rainbow Flag for his rebellion. Therearesusamongus (talk) 20:59, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Therearesusamongus, if the source cited does not support the text, the correct course of action should be to either correct the text to conform with what the source says or to remove both the text and the source entirely. You should never change cited text in such a way that introduces new information not supported by the source that's already there. In that case you should replace the source with one that does. Regarding the bottom half of your message, note that Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help

As you're an uninvolved editor, I request you to look at the articles Chalukya dynasty and Kalabhra. A guy removes WP:RS contents which doesn't suit his pov. Can you have a look? and I don't wanna involve in the topic further. Also, I welcome your decision if you keep the content or remove after considering them whether it is WP:RS or not. Thanks! Wormholexx (talk) 17:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wormholexx, so sorry for not responding sooner, I've been preoccupied and must have forgotten your message. I assume the conflict has been resolved? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Throast!

Happy New Year!

Throast,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abishe (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abishe, what a pleasant surprise. I wish you a Happy New Year as well! Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Distributor" or "Presented by"

Would you like to take a look at Template talk:Infobox film#‎Should we change "Distributor" to "Presented by"? and Talk:Mission: Impossible – Fallout#Production company/Distributor? If you have time, your comments are always appreciated. 2001:D08:2900:B820:17AC:6FB2:C5DE:206A (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]