Talk:Adagio in G minor

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Provenance

The Remo Giazotto articel contains the following text:

However, a discovery by musicologist Muska Mangano, Giazotto's last assistant before his death, has cast some doubt on that belief. Among Giazotto's papers, Mangano discovered a modern but independent manuscript transcription of the figured bass portion, and six fragmentary bars of the first violin, "bearing in the top right-hand corner a stamp stating unequivocally the Dresden provenance of the original from which it was taken". This provides support for Giazotto's account that he did base his composition on an earlier source. In 1958, the work was copyrighted by Giazotto.[1][2]

Wouldn't that be much more important to state here? --User:Haraldmmueller 16:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC

I agree, there is actually a fragment of Albinoni called Adagio in G minor that was part of a larger work called Triosonata in G minor, see here:

https://imslp.org/wiki/Trio_Sonata_in_G_minor_(Albinoni,_Tomaso) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.66.15.94 (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There were in fact several attempts at putting this information into the Adagio article in 2011/12, but the problem was that the only source for it was an unpublished Master's thesis, which was considered to be below Wikipedia standards (see Dispute resolution noticeboard). Unfortunately, more than 10 years later there still is no better source, although the author of the Master's thesis wrote to me in 2009 that he was about to publish a scholarly article on the topic ... – Schneid9 (talk) 22:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with this is that there is no RS for this info, and there is no proof that Muska Mangano ever existed. Therefore there is no way of including this.--Aristophile (talk) 00:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for Mangano, her untraceableness on the web is indeed mysterious, but she is mentioned in the preface of Muzio Clementi, Epistolario 1781–1831, Milan 2002, p. 6:

“Infine un doveroso ringraziamento va a Muska Mangano, per molti anni amica e stretta collaboratrice di Remo Giazotto, senza il cui attento e premuroso intervento questo volume non sarebbe mai giunto alla pubblicazione.” (Finally, due thanks go to Muska Mangano, for many years a friend and close collaborator of Remo Giazotto, without whose careful and thoughtful intervention this volume would never have come to publication.)

This was written by Bruno Cagli, president of the Accademia Nazionale di Santa Cecilia, several years after Giazotto's death, so it seems unlikely that Mangano is a fictitious person!

When someone tried to put Mangano's name in the Giazotto article on the Italian Wikipedia in 2021, they even added years of birth and death (1935–2021). I have not been able to confirm these dates, but if she was an old lady and perhaps just Giazotto's secretary (not a musicologist in her own right), this might be an explanation for her elusiveness on the web.

Incidentally, the manuscript "discovered" by Mangano after Giazotto's death had already been sent by Ricordi to the Dresden State Library in the late 1960s, as the head of the library's music department, Prof. Dr. Barbary Wiermann, revealed in a German radio programme on Albinoni's 350th birthday. – Schneid9 (talk) 15:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]