Talk:Ocarina

This article references "older boys". Older relative to what?

Listen!!! all of you out there, including you unemployed JennyRad who obviously has too much time on her hand. There are many ocarina makers out there. I just don't think it's fair to list some makers/sellers, but not others.

So unless you can list all the sellers/makers in the world in the external link section, I'm going to keep deleting it.

WHO CARES if you block me? You don't think there's a library computer I can use? No body takes Wikipedia seriously, because it's created by people like JennyRad!!

You are an idiot, did you know that? It's idiots like you who make this world a bad place to live.

Since we can't list all the historical figures who have ever made ocarinas we shouldn't list any of them. Since we can't list all the bands using ocarinas we shouldn't mention any at all. Since we can't put photos of every possible ocarina type we shouldn't put any photo at all. Since we can't list all the historical cultures which have used ocarinas we shouldn't mention any of them. Since we can't mention all the video games where there are ocarinas we shouldn't list any game at all. Yeah, sure, that makes a whole lot of a sense. Let's just delete the entire wikipedia because it just can't list *everything* and thus it doesn't have the right to list anything at all. Yeah.

If nobody takes wikipedia seriously, why do you care so much? Why are you even here? And what do you possibly hope to accomplish by vandalizing a page? YOU are the reason that some people don't take wikipedia seriously. Please do not waste your time insulting others and removing perfectly fine external links.JohnWardlow 17:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Troggs - Wild Thing

I originally wrote, "The instrumental break in the The Troggs's 1966 hit song "Wild Thing" contains an aggressive ocarina solo..."; Sonjaa deleted "aggressive". I don't think the deletion is merited; "aggressive" is not a purely subjective evaluation. "Wild Thing" is a primitivistic, proto-Punk song, and the ocarina break is played in that spirit. There might be a better adjective ("emphatic"? "rowdy"?), but please let's do better than a bare bland reference. --David Sewell 02:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I listened to the song and didn't feel that the solo was "aggressive" at all. Maybe "rhythmic" or "lively" or something like that? What do others think?--Sonjaaa 11:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Sonjaaa - it isn't really aggressive. I would say lively. Ck lostsword|^queta! 17:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Invention

I removed the following:

The ocarina is thought to have been first conceived when it was discovered that blowing across the mouth of a water vessel or pouring jug that had broken could produce different tonalities when the holes or cracks were (un)covered with the hand or fingers.

It seems to me that this is nothing but baseless conjecture and has no place in an encyclopedia.

1) Trying to describe coincidences that might or might not have occurred in prehistoric times is not history.

2) Even if this is did happen and happened only once (originating all ocarinas), or happened many times independently, why is it important? Even if it could be established to be the truth, what does it tell us about the ocarina? or about anything?

If anyone can provide a reference to meaningful academic discussion of broken pots, they should replace it.

TomViza 01:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. Aaron Walden

Right at the begining of the article it claims that the ocarina was invented by Shigeru Miyamoto. Can this be removed as it's a blatantly untrue.

Sweet potato

The sweet potato is only one variety of ocarina, made popular by legend of zelda: ocarina of time. It is not synonmous with ocarinas in general.

The word ocarina was coined, in 19th Century Italy, to refer to what today are called sweet potato ocarinas. The sweet potato was not originally popularized by Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, though said video game certainly led to a revival of popularity in some quarters. But you are right that it ought to be noted that the term sweet potato is more specific than ocarina, in modern usage, as ocarina is widely used to refer to any vessel flute with a whistle mouthpiece. Aaron Walden

Could it be possible to add a more or less comprehensive list of different types of ocarinas (perhaps with photos of each)? Ocarinas certainly come in many shapes and sizes and base notes and ranges. For example the ocarinas at http://www.hindocarina.com/ are rather different from "standard" ones. Also this link shows a quite comprehensive list of different types of ocarina by the amount of holes: http://www.stlocarina.com/ocarina-by-type.html

sweet potato

I clarified a statement, but want others to check it please! It says that one style of Ocarina is called the Sweet Potato. I looked through my materials and ocarina music and I see "sweet potato ocarina", which is what I changed it too. Otherwise some less-intelligent browser may think the term "sweet potato" means an instrument exclusively... or maybe I don't have enough faith in humanity?

Liastnir 05:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Appeance in video games

Fans of video games tend to be devout to their supporting games, and not seeing their favorite game with ocarina appearance on the list makes them add it. The list has grown to a significant size -- too much for an ocarina article, I believe. I know that the list is never meant to be comprehensive, but I don't think that would convince the users who add the games. An incomplete list makes users want to add more to it, but since we can't let the list to grow forever, I am proposing to delete the list completely before the growing list gets out of hand; with the exception of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time which has the instrument in its title and might be notable. But even so, we don't have to mention all of its roles. I think just "various magical tasks" would be fine. --朝彦 (Asahiko) 01:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely. I have removed all fancruft from the article per wikipedia policy on cruft. Ck lostsword|^queta!|_Suggestions? 22:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

It looks like this article is getting a little too cluttered with pictures. Maybe we could start to consider which ones should go/stay?Mikeg1179 22:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively, we can consider using the gallery tag. IMHO all the pictures are informative, so:

"A blue and white pattern ocarina" -> gallery
"20th Century Japan" -> gallery
"English pendant ocarina " -> gallery
"Giuseppe" -> History section

is my proposal. --朝彦 (Asahiko) 00:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i like ocarina-mateus

Cleaning Up and Re-organizing

I worked on cleaning up and therefore re-organizing the article this evening. I removed some redundancies and re-categorized some things. Please look it over and carefully consider my changes. I think it looks a little better now. Thanks! -RobbyPrather (talk) 08:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]