Talk:The Golden Compass (film)

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easy difference to see

the movie apparently lacks d(ae)mnos read the books summary towards the end to find out the pivital problem with this, it almost makes it an entirely different story, which will undoubtively make some fans mad

"Apparently" is not encyclopedic -- only established, reliably sourced statements can be added to the article. Also, according to the movie trailer, daemons are included in the movie. María (críticame) 13:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Line

I read today on Yahoo! News that this is its main focus after recent failures. shouldn't that also be metioned, especially the packet New Line produced for itGot118115147 11:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Is this title likely to be used in Britain, or will it be retitled Northern Lights in the UK to reflect the British book title, as with Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's/Philospoher's Stone? Loganberry 23:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The main His Dark Materials page says it will be released as Northern Lights in the UK. MC MasterChef 01:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

According to an interview with Philip Pullman on BBC Radio Oxford, the title of the film will be "His Dark Materials: The Golden Compass" in all territories. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/oxford/content/articles/2007/01/24/phillp_pullman.shtml Rueful Rabbit 19:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Proposed actors"

Proposed by who? If this is in reference to this, I think it should be removed as fan speculation. MC MasterChef 01:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Old information

The information on this page is out of date, according to [1], Chris Weitz has apparently changed his mind and is directing... again. Unfortunately I'm out of time now to change it; so can anyone beat me to it? - Estel ^(talk) 22:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

Merge - the information should be synchronised, only the name will be different (between the UK and the USA versions). Pydos 11:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. It's the same movie. The title can easily be handled just like Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film). Derek Balsam 22:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made a cast table

I made a table with the confirmed cast on it but I haven't got the sources yet. I suck at making things on wiki so now it is at the bottom, if someone would be able to make it to that it is under Cast, I would appreciate it.

I think the link for Dakota Blue Richards should either have some should go to a seperate page or a section within the main page for the movie talking about the contest in which she got the role rather than its current behavior of just redirecting back to the top of the movie page. Info From IMDB chazchaz101

Title

There isn't a whole lot of debate here, and after checking Talk:Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) (which is referenced in an earlier post to this talk page), I didn't see any debate there. But I think it is improper to use the Northern Lights title for the US-produced film which will be distributed by its original producer under the title The Golden Compass, in the same way the novel should be the opposite (published in the UK by its original publisher under the title Northern Lights). I reject the "novel is more well-known" (possibly paraphrased) argument because this is not about the novel. The movie is based upon the novel, yes, but it is a separate work in its own right and should be evaluated exclusive of the novel. That's my two cents, anyhow.—Kbolino 03:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The title debate is more complex than Potter, since the title change for Potter was done against Rowling's wishes because the American publishers charmingly believed that American kids would be too stupid to know what 'philosopher' meant. With Pullman, 'The Golden Compass' is actually the original title for the novel. It was changed to 'Northern Lights' by his British publisher against Pullman's better instincts. He then changed it back for the US publication of the book. So there is certainly a stronger argument that 'The Golden Compass' is the 'real' title. However, the title is beinged changed to ensure that fans aren't confused in the relevant territories. As to which is the 'proper' title is a lot less clear. Since 'Philosopher' is the 'proper' title for the movie in that case because, although made with US money, it was made in Britain with a British cast based on a British series of books, I imagine the same argument being made with regards to His Dark Materials.--Werthead 02:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The kicker for me is the original publisher/producer. What is the name on the script in Nicole Kidman's hands? It's almost definitely His Dark Materials: The Golden Compass, because that's how New Line is billing the film. Yes, the original publishing of the book used Northern Lights, and I certainly agree that's the most appropriate title for the article on the novel. But the basis—and the participants—are not what is under evaluation, in my opinion. I think that Philosopher's Stone in that respect is the more complicated decision, though I would still lean Philosopher's Stone for the novel and Sorcerer's Stone for the film(as that's how WB billed it). As for my personal thoughts, I think it's condescending to say that an (ostensibly) American film can't stand on its own right apart from the British novel upon which it was based—which is not to argue with you per se, but merely the feeling I get from the wording in the article.—Kbolino 02:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're wrong, Werthead, about the British publisher changing the title against Philip Pullman's will. Go to the following page to see a full explanation from him: [[2]] Lost4eva 22:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They aren't using the title Northern Lights anywhere. So actually shouldn't someone change the title of this page?

That's what I was thinking; the title is most definitely the Golden Compass, no matter what country it is being aired in. Hence the website, etc.

In reference to Werthead, I just thought I would point something out. It doesn't matter if Harry Potter has a British author, cast, filming location etc. It doesn't matter that the films are 99% British. The fact that it is made with US money means that the films are conisdered American. So in the case of this film with filming being outside of Britian and the cast not being all British means even more that it is American. Wild ste 09:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

I think we should move the page back to His Dark Materials: The Golden Compass. According to a recent talk with Philip Pullman, he said that the title is going to be under the American version which is "The Golden Compass", even when it is released in the UK and other territories that received the "Northern Lights" version. He even said that "The Golden Compass" is the more popular title. I hardly even see any websites or media referring to this movie as "Northern Lights". So, shall we? DivineLady 15:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would be fine with such a move, though you should place the citation for Pullman's mention of the "popular title" as evidence toward the proposed move. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's here. [3] DivineLady 04:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Budget source

Can we get a source for the budget estimate please? JayKeaton 13:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, is that estimate for "His Dark Materials: Northern Lights", or for the whole "His Dark Materials" trilogy? JayKeaton 13:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've read, only "The Golden Compass". I included the source for the budget estimate and took out "since the Lord of the Rings" seeing as the budget for the Golden Compass is larger than that of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

Set visit

Heather Newgen (2007-02-01). "Set Visit: The Golden Compass". ComingSoon.net. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
Jenny Karakaya (2007-02-15). "Set: Golden Compass". JoBlo.com. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Citations for use. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 13:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Filming techniques

Shouldn't it be mentioned that some of the backgrounds in the movie will be created digitally instead of filmed in actual locations (sorry, I don't have a link, I just read it in the news a while ago)? 193.217.193.45 22:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly Interesting Trivia?

Daniel Craig is playing Lord Asriel in the film adaptation. Timothy Dalton played the same character for a bit in the stage version a couple years ago. Both men have played James Bond (and similarly at that). Is this worthy of mention anywhere in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.204.246 (talk) 23:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so... we're supposed to avoid trivia articles because the content is not very encyclopedic. Maybe you could submit that information to the film's IMDb page for their trivia page? —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 23:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Religius Subject Matter

Of the situation on the disclusion of mentions of religon and god etc in this movie, how are they going to get around that to adapt the third book?they could proberbly get around northern lights and subtle knife, but not the amber spyglass.......PLAYWERT 14:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are all sorts of fun things that it will be interesting to see them deal with. How in-depth will they cover His Dark Materials' strong anti-religious message? Will they gloss over Balthamos and Baruch's relationship? Inquiring minds want to know, but this is not a forum for discussion of the movies, especially not movies that may never be produced. If this flops, I find it unlikely that they'll bother with the rest of the trilogy. —Cuiviénen 23:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First off, I doubt that this film will flob. We are currently in the age of adapting fantasy books so it will likely follow Harry Potter and LOTR and be a huge success. And next, I think that they will cut out entirely the characters Balthamos and Baruch as the American public would never allow the portrayel of angels in films such as this (no offence to American users of this site). Wild ste 09:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No you're right, Americans in general are incredibly homophobic and puritanical. It's us Americans who will have to apologize to non-American fans of the book series after the filmmakers walk on eggshells around our American bigotry and ruin the movies for the rest of the world.Rglong 17:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to stay on topic. This talk page is to discuss the improvement of the article, not the subject the article is about. < / friendly reminder > María (críticame) 17:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cast

I'm sure Derek Jacobi is seen in the trailer for the film but there's no mention of him at all in this article, nor in his own article. Can someone confirm his casting or do my eyes deceive me? 59.101.164.46 11:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Differences Between Book And Film

Once the move is released, shall we put in a section regarding the differences between the novel and the film or will this be thought of slightly inappropriate for an encyclopaedic-style article?

Iofur's name change

According to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/faq Iofur's name has been changed to Ragnar Sturlson to prevent confusion between him and Iorek. Just to let you know before I change the name on the chart. Also, please forgive me because I don't know how to cite sources. If someone could do that for me that would be great. Blahmaster 21:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]