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dbenbenn | talk 23:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Dutch investment in motoring infrastructure

Hi

I think you placed this sentence on the segregated cycle facilities page in the evidence section as a counter point to the figures on cycling numbers during the period of operation of the Dutch bicycle master plan.

However, monetary investments in the road and public transport networks during the same period were many times that spent on cycle provisions in the same period, and car ownership did increase by 49%[1] in the same period without a reduction in cycle use.

However, it seems clear that several (if not all?) prominent Dutch cities had active traffic restraint programs in place from the late 70s on. It seems to me that for the sentence above to stand as a counter point - then it must be shown that the investments in motoring infrastructure took place in urban areas for the purpose of facilitating and promoting motorised traffic in competition with other modes such as cycling. Otherwise the investments might just as easily have been for the opposite purpose of diverting motor traffic around, and excluding it from, urban areas - and hence promoting cycling. Apologies if this isn't your issue. --Sf 00:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is something to that point, but it is not the whole story. Not my fight really, I just live here (Amsterdam) and cycle 20+K per day, I cycle to work, all year round, I also own a car and a motorbike. And get a bit narked by monomaniac zealots, such as those who want to see conflict between cars and bikes everywhere. Remember that Holland has a huge rural hinterland that needs roads for everyday transport (busses use roads too.) Cities actively squeeze cars, but new motorways are also built (and are still being built) connecting cities, new railways too. The Dutch just like to use whatever is best for the journey they want to make.
In short, its unlike the way things are done in adversarial countries like the UK. The more I look from my new Dutch home at the UK, the more I realize you cannot take one experience and expect it to work for the other. For a start, the 12K cycle ride from my place to central Amsterdam has a nett elevation change of about 3 meters. To really make cycling to take off in the whole of the UK it would be best to start by bulldozing the whole place flat (please).
EasyTarget 17:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your message

I think you will find, that I contribute with AOL, and if you were as self rightous as you proclaim, you would have known, that wikipedia has issues with AOL and Dynamic IP's, and that those edits were definately NOT made by myself. This is Zanusi 10:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page version with my comments for Reference.
That may very well be true about you not making the edits!
But; cluestick time. Whoever did make them was logged in with YOUR ACCOUNT, not just your IP address. Your account is protected with a password and a cookie. Someone has got hold of the cookie at least.
The fact that AOL (and many other ISPs) reassign IP addresses is true, but has no bearing here because the edits are associated with your account, not your IP address. I'm an IT professional; this argument does not stand up to technical scrutiny.
Which probably means that your account has been compromised. Either by some sort of malware on your system, or someone has physical access to a machine where you log in (colleagues? family?, friends? nasty situation to be in, hope you can get control back before anything really nasty is done by them).
Note: I guess from your posts (specifically, the fact you connect via AOL) that this is your personal PC. But given who you work for, if it is your work PC I you should tell your IT department about this! They will want to clean the system, search it to see if any more dangerous things have been done, and reset all your passwords etc.
Good luck! EasyTarget 11:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am still waiting for an apology - you called me "Hard of thinking", a "troll", and you also stated "I am glad he is out of office" - you don't even know me! And to top it all off you stated they "Kicked me out" - How dare you make personal assumptions and FYI - I left the job, because I moved away. This is Zanusi 12:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Bovag Rai 'Mobiliteit in Cijfers' (transportation in numbers, English version), Netherlands Auto Industry report, 2003.