Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Tuffins

Harry Tuffins

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Almost identical to the Four Lanterns AfD last week which was an article on a small chain of regional local takeaways. While the article does provide sources it does not asert any notability and they appear trivial in nature, which is the primary criterion from WP:ORG. Most of the information comes from its own website and as we know Wikipedia is not a PR wire to get a company's name out there possibly applies -- in short, nothing that proves its notability.

Obviously, I have tried to raised the issue of notability on a number of occasions but there seems to be ownership issues as User:Maxburgoyne defends the article without wanting to discuss the issue and just removes any tags without discussion. I have tried to discuss the issue on the talk page but this editor seems to take it personally, so I thought the community should decide. Vintagekits 14:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep, Of course I feel some connection to an article I largely created.I do not work in a the shop! Only 3 out of 13 references are to the company website.

A brief review of Vintagekits behaviour on wikipedia will illustrate my reluctance to engage with him.

I cannot see why this article fails the notbaility guidelines. Again, he who asserts must prove and not by citing an irrelevant example.

Let the Admin decide?--MJB 14:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Harry Tuffins. A few points:
The article is well-referenced,
The company is of real local significance,
It is referenced by 5 other wikipedia pages,
At least 7 users have contributed to it,
Finally, who asserts must prove. Why remove it?

--MJB 15:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, only five registered users (including both of us) have ever edited the article - 2 of which made very minor edits. 2 others just to question its notability - each time you dismiss this. You refered to another editors questioning of its notability as nonsense, did you not want to engage with him also because of his previous conduct also? there is no need to personalise this - please focus of the article, the rest of the edits were made by yourself - if I had to guess I would say you either worked their or owned the shop. However, all of this is irrelevant and does not address notability. As for "who asserts must prove" - I have justr shown that if fails WP:N and WP:ORG but its not my decision to delete it, it is the communities - instead of arguing with me I would advise the you convince them of its notability. regards--Vintagekits 15:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Please note that User:Maxburgoyne has breached policy by canvassing a number of editors talk pages to encourage them to !vote to keep this article. See here, here, here, here, here and here. And then deleted a notice to stop canvassing here. In order to attempt to depersonalise this for MaxB I am now going to withdraw from commenting on this AfD unless specifically requested to comment of something.--Vintagekits 15:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I apologise for the canvassing. My talk page is my own business. I am now off to drown some kittens. --MJB 15:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. To quote WP:N Notable means "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice." It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." The article deals with a subject -- a feature, amounting to an institution, of the life of the area in question -- which is worthy of being noted (no less so, than, say, a local sports club, huge numbers of which are written about in Wp) and one which has attracted and does attract notice. That the subject might be thought "unfamous" or judged "unimportant" by any individual user of the Wikipedia is irrelevant in the context of the proposal to delete the work that has been done here. -- Picapica 15:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, oh dear - the first of the canvassed editors to appear! and a "strong keep" without addressing why this these local shops are notable - very interesting.--Vintagekits 15:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Hmm. So much for your I am now going to withdraw from commenting on this AfD unless specifically requested promise. Shouldn't you be reporting that specific request here if you think that MJB should be disclosing his contacts with other editors? At least they are public. MJB could always have e-mailed me if he was trying to do anything underhand (I, for one, am always open to e-mail contacts from like-minded, or even unlike-minded, fellow editors). It is for you, who wish to change the status quo, to demonstrate why the article should be deleted. I have stated why I think this article deals with a noteworthy subject. So far all you have done yourself is mention a discussion about another article altogether. -- Picapica 16:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (Not "the first of the canvassed editors" by the way.)[reply]

Comment, I have quite clearly outlined in the opening paragraph why the article failed WP:N - almost identically as I did for the Four Lanterns AfD, which was also a small localised chain of 5 or so outlets like this one. If you can give me a reason why this particular petrol station is notable I would be delighted to reconsider - however, there is nothing of note which is contained within the article. As for you not being canvassed, on that score its case closed. regards --Vintagekits 16:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:CORP/WP:N. SirFozzie 18:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:CORP. He owns half a dozen tiny shops, big deal. Complete lack of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. Crazysuit 19:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]