Talk:Reuben Kee

Rest in Peace

I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this but I'd just like to express my sympathy. You will be missed. -(BrutusCirrus 22:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Reuben's father

His actual name is 'Freddie Kee', despite being wrongly reported on the media as 'Frankie Kee'. Please do not change the name back to the wrong one. XGargoyle 09:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this person notable?

Reuben Kee died in an accident, and some Internet people that played with his Mugen characters want to tribute him. But is a Wikipedia article appropriate? I believe the answer is no. This is the kind of thing people should blog about.

Reuben made 3 prominent Mugen characters. Mugen characters are definitely not notable, nor are the people who make them.
Reuben liked making music. Should everyone who likes making music have a Wikipedia article?
- Are people that "[earn] some notability" with OverClocked ReMix subject to Wikipedia articles? The person who created it, while named on its article, doesn't have an article.
- Are people that composed the soundtrack of some film that doesn't have an article itself subject to Wikipedia articles?
Reuben won a regional beauty pageant. The pageant doesn't have an article, and I would be astounded if another winner has an article.
Reuben was a member of the Singapore National Dragon Boat team. Are participants of dragon boat racing notable?
Reuben died tragically at a young age in a dragon boat racing accident. While the event was newsworthy, being involved doesn't make someone encyclopedically notable.

This article is an inappropriate use of Wikipedia, so I have marked it for biographical notability. --24.207.198.84 19:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some reasons why the article should be kept:

Reuben won a regional beauty pageant. The pageant doesn't have an article, and I would be astounded if another winner has an article.

There is an article for the Mister World 2007 in which Reuben Kee was a contestant. His name appears together with all the other participants, some of them also have their own articles.

Reuben died tragically at a young age in a dragon boat racing accident. While the event was newsworthy, being involved doesn't make someone encyclopedically notable.

There are articles for several passengers of the United Airlines Flight 93, for example Todd Beamer or Tom Burnett. You have the same scenario, a national tragedy and several victims that are aknowledged in the wikipedia. Why Reuben shouldn't have his article? He wasn't just a random victim who happened to be there in the wrong time, his achievements both in real life and online made him notable. XGargoyle (talk) 22:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to add my own two bits and point out that the overall whole of Reu's achievements even excluding the online factor give him a great deal more notability and deserving of an article than a great deal of wikipedia. You have folks that contributed nothing but being friggin nude for Playboy and some cheap flicks or even just some backwater porn site that have an article of their own and no eyebrows raised. Voice actors that do nothing but a few voices given a complete article even though they're only remembered for that. So to you sir I say "nay": the person is important enough to enough people to warrant this article to remain. Also DavidGee, at least don't hide behind an IP would you?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What, I don't remember the password for my existing account (D70306), and when I tried registering earlier today, "DavidGee" was taken by someone as "David Gee," so I didn't bother making some other account. Hide behind an IP address!

Please don't remove the notability tag, and leave it to an unbiased person who isn't suffering from Mugen religiosity and who has never heard of Reu. That an article like this exists makes me wonder if such a person might be available, though. The fact that spammers spam Wikipedia already doesn't mean that you should join in. What we're dealing with here is a question of biographical notability, and the bullet points I listed were only an attempt to give you some perspective on the suitability of Reu's biography for this site.

Tragic incidents are rarely a turning point in history, as is the case with 9/11, the famous terrorist attack. They are simply reported by journalists in newspapers. That the one which claimed Reuben's life is close to home because you've known him for years doesn't mean that it or the victims (of nature) are encyclopedically noteable. That Reuben is notable to you and to members of Internet forums for video game music and fighting game characters doesn't make him notable to the general public. You say that Reu has "contributed," which warrants his inclusion in Wikipedia. How many people in the world have done so, but have been steadfastly ignored by encyclopedias? I do believe there are many articles on Wikipedia that should be questioned and then removed, but this is one that I'm quite knowledgeable of. If I had time to patrol Wikipedia for notability, I just might, and anyone who does has my thanks.

This particular article... when I heard about it, I was profoundly surprised that you would go this far to show adulation for your "Mugen creators." My first thought was this: what would Reuben think if he knew about this? I don't think he'd be flattered. The two of you are glorifying an individual for making an impact in the Mugen community, something which is very important to you, but in general, is entirely unimportant.

I'm DavidGee, and I approve this message. --24.207.198.84 (talk) 03:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The two of you are glorifying an individual for making an impact in the Mugen community" <- I'm sorry to bust your bubble but no. If you'll check which sections had the most modifications recently you'll find the mugen bit is far from the primary one. You know what? I'm not even going into that with you: you're taking your own agenda from Guild and dragging it here when it isn't the case. Sorry dave, this has nothing to do with some "mugen creator adulation", and the fact you only clung to that shows you're unwilling to read what XG or myself wrote here or the article itself. Thus I find that the tag is unnecessary.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got an edit conflict (uncanny). DavidGee here. Been browsing Wikipedia's policies. From WP:NOT#MEMORIAL: "Wikipedia is not the place to honor departed friends and relatives. Subjects of encyclopedia articles must be notable besides being fondly remembered." So it looks like this isn't the first time someone's done what I described.

I've also been browsing articles, and you are definitely right that there exist many articles that seem thoroughly unworthy of inclusion. This one, at least, was the result of effortful research. I'll remove the tag after a few days if there are no more respondents. By the way, I read everything very carefully. --24.207.198.84 (talk) 09:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, scratch that. The tag was already removed. WP:OWN ftw. --24.207.198.84 (talk) 09:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]