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Edward Manukyan

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Biography of young classical composer: Independent sources are scarce as are other indications of notability Tikiwont (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Aparrently no published material; not yet notable. Note: page content is also very heavily based on The Official Edward Manukya website. Ros0709 (talk) 12:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Neutral. I've carefully checked the updates since I first examined the article and have concluded that whilst it is true that he very much fails Criteria for composers and lyricists we do have published independent evidence of a minor concert performance and forthcoming CD release. Other articles have snuck into Wikipedia on less, so I am ambivalent about this now. Ultimately this matters little as this is not a vote but a recommendation to the reviewing administrator, and (s)he is going to have to be swayed, not me. Techincally, I still believe that delete is the only allowable result according to the rules - it just depends on how stringently they are applied. Ros0709 (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment.Well, thanks for that. I am sure that more relevant information will be contributed soon. Let us not forget that it is imposible to objectively determine the notability of a Post-Soviet composer without knowing the Russian and Armenian sources, the languages and cultures in which he is most relevant. However, I believe that all that is available at this point is more than enough for allowing the article to remain in Wikipedia - especially taking into account the potential updates, which depend on future events, such as concerts and publication of material.Wild firebird (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • More editing has been made Let's leave the composer's biography alone. Shall we? There actually IS a lot of published material, please do not post unsupported claims. 71.129.175.164 (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. What is this published material? Please indicate where I can obtain sheet music or CDs of this composer from a recognised publisher (not the composer himself). I shall reconsider my delete if it indeed exists. (The obvious plagiarism of the composer's website would still be an issue - but that is not the justification for this AFD.) Ros0709 (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Having said the above, I continue insisting that the article should remain in Wikipedia. The composer was an official "resident composer" with the Armenian "Renaissance" Chamber Orchestra (from 1999 to 2002). He holds a Master of Music Degree in composition, and in addition to his career in Armenia, he has had a number of concerts in United States as well, and his music has been performed by recognised orchestras. I also have a reliable conformation of a serious project with the Armenian State Philharmonic Orchestra, scheduled for this summer (2008), among many other project. Taking into account all the info I have provided, along with what is available from the composer's website and other sources, deleting this entry would be a vandalism. I suggest that we remove the deletion notice immediately. Wild firebird (talk) 01:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply. If it is demonstrated that one or more of the six Criteria for composers and lyricists have been met then the article should stay. At present I do not believe any has been, but I advise that you consider expanding upon those concerts, in the article rather than here, in order to satisfy the second criterion: Has written musical theatre of some sort (includes musicals, operas, etc) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run as such things are judged in their particular situation and time. Future events require more care still - see Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Ros0709 (talk) 08:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Front page article in (fairly minor) paper plus other references seem sufficient that he meets notability guidelines. Multiple independent reliable third part sources and all that. Hobit (talk) 21:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 01:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak delete I wish he were notable. I hope he becomes notable. But he is not notable yet. None of these are major musical groups. DGG (talk) 05:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. DGG, you are wrong. The "Renaissance" Chamber Orchestra, the LA Winds and, of course, the Armenian Phil (scheduled for a performance and recording - Sept 2008) are all major orchestras. Other orchestras mentioned in the article may be of minor significance, but the three mentioned above are all more than enough for him to meet the notability guidelines. Please, do a fair research before you post such a comment.Wild firebird (talk) 06:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Feeble Keep, presence of indepedent news coverage plus work with mid-level orchestras probably just tips him over the line. Lankiveil (complaints | disco) 13:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  • Strong Keep, it's not only about the independent news covarage and the composer's professional accomplishments... the confirmed collaboration with a world-class orchestra such as the Armenian State Philharmonic Orchestra simply demands that this discussion be over.Shanongeorge (talk) 13:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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