Talk:Pearl Jam
A few remarks abou the first paragraph
I'd like to know why the first paragraph reads "Pearl Jam was one of the most popular bands..." instead of is, since the band is still well and active. I've changed that once before, but the changes got reverted so I decided to add it in here. Also, I think that the Green River, Temple Of The Dog and Mother Love Bone reference is mislocated.
Tragedy in Denmark
This was the worst tragedy in rock history wasn't? More info should be added to than just "live cds were released but not from Roskilde"
- Technically, no (the 1999 Belarus accident and 1979 Cincinnati accident had higher death counts), but important enough to warrant some more words. I've added a paragraph. Feel free to correct/discuss it mvdhout 16:17, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Discography.
Could someone check the years for the discography? - thanks.
-- I'm not going to remove it - yet - but do we really want to included every album Pearl Jam have contributed to? I mean, it'd be nice, and Sweet Relief is a good album and all that, but ......... I guess I'd rather we just stuck to their major releases, which Live on Two Legs is one, but the Official Bootlegs are not. I think. Any suggestions?
Kurt Cobain.
The section on the hostility by Kurt Cobain towards the band isn't accurate. I haven't got precise enough details at hand to correct it right now, but the argument arose from Kurt's friendship with Mark Arm of Mudhoney, who had been in Green River with Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament. Kurt's dislike of them arose over his view of Stone and Jeff being 'careerist', and his later friendship was with Eddie Vedder, not with the band. According to 'Come As You Are' by Michael Azzerad, Kurt befriended Eddie after both bands played at the MTV Music Awards 1992, saying he thought Eddie had passion, even if his band didn't. Jimregan 01:26 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)
Leaving Epic
Is it true that PJ is leaving Epic? I recently read a couple of articles saying that they will be releasing a DVD called "Live at the Garden" with Epic in November. ¬ Dori 17:56, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)
- They left on June 5, 2003. Epic may still have material to release, plus they own the masters of the original music. Pearl Jam is distributing live album after live album via their web site as well as through music retailers. It's a good thing. Live PJ CD's double and triple albums for $12-17USD... =) vudu 19:54, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Hey, it's great news. I am tired of having to pay upwards of $14 for their albums :) ¬ Dori 02:38, Oct 16, 2003 (UTC)
It's OK.
The following was a comment posted by
- (cur) (last) . . 14:09, Feb 5, 2004 . . 128.172.143.123
- When I saw them in concert, it was the concert after the tragic accident in Denmark. They always add something to their song "Daughter". They added a song called "It's OK". This was sort of a way to express Pearl Jam's grief for the tragedy, while at the same time lettign everybody know that it is ok.
Dori | Talk 03:47, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
Free speech.
I don't understand the inclusion of the comment about "free speech laws" re: Bushleaguer. It seems completely out of proportion. - Jeandré, 2004-04-11t12:36
Dave Abbruzzese.
Dave Abbruzzese -- is this true ? Jay 22:56, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Boon Kasper?
Reverted 136.8.1.100's "Boon Kasper - Keyboards" addition because I couldn't find any info on this from a quick Google, Google news, pearljam.com, or the pearljam.com news page search. Please note source before putting it back. -- Jeandré, 2004-09-07t12:07z
- Could be that you couldn't find anything on him because his name is Boom Gasper. Heres a link -- elykyllek 17:02, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)
- According to the November 11, 2003 "Pearl Jam rumor pit", he isn't an official member. See
- http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/PearlJam/rumorpit/pit56.html
- By the way, his name appears to be Kenneth "Boom" Gaspar. mvdhout 17:26, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- You're right about the Gaspar part, just checked the back of the New York Concert DVD and it's spelt that way on there as well. Wonder why yahoo spelt it with an "e"... -- elykyllek 18:24, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)
Hit Singles
A recent edit added some singles, but without top chart positions. Would that still make it hit singles? mvdhout 15:27, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Extensive Editing
Ive done some extensive editing. A great deal of it was grammatical and/or spelling corrections. Alot of it was to make things sound more professional (like pages from an encyclopaedia should be). Some of it was to eliminate unnecessary detail. A very small amount was to eliminate bias and opinion. There were refferences to the quality of the music. Such comments do not belong in an encyclopaedia. I also made some additions. I cant remember all of them right now, but heres what I remember:
1. I gave more details on the mamasan trilogy. 2. I added information on the various drummers that have come and gone. 3. I got rid of the misleading statements that made "Yield" seem like an unsuccessful album, when in fact, it went gold.
Removed Non-Pearl Jam albums from list
I removed the list of Mother Love Bone and Temple of the Dog albums because I feel they do not belong on the Pearl Jam article. If we were to list every band that band members of Pearl Jam have been involved in, we would need to list Mother Love Bone, Green River, Temple of the Dog, Brad, Mad Season, Three Fish, The Green Romance Orchestra, and others. I think doing that would steer the page off course. It would be great if individual articles on all these bands could be created though. I will write one for Mother Love Bone, and perhaps Temple of the Dog.
Streaming Music
So I've got a 24/7 stream of live pearl jam shows, about 30 or 35, and I added a link to the site at the bottom of the page. Might be more appropriate in "Samples" section tho, what do you think?
- The samples section is only for files that have been uploaded to Wikipedia. If it's an external link, it should be in the link section. Tuf-Kat 22:13, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Mother Love Bone redirect?
Two very different bands, why does it redirect here? Ok, 2 of the 5 members were later in Pearl Jam, but what about the 2 that went on to form Mudhoney (Mark Arm and Steve Turner)? What about the story of Andrew Wood and how his death imipacted the Seattle music scene? Mother Love Bone is certainly noteworthy enough to warrent it's own article. Cacophony 22:40, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
More changes
Those were some great additions regarding discrepancies about the origin of the name Pearl Jam, and pointing out the often forgotten drummer Matt Chamberlain. Ive made some more changes.
1. I removed excessive information about Mother Love Bone. I feel that since this is a Pearl Jam article, it needs to focus on Pearl Jam rather than going off on tangents. Mother Love Bone is a great band, but the only thing we need to know about Mother Love Bone in this particular article is that it was the band Jeff and Stone came from when they decided to form Pearl Jam. I feel that the details about Andy Wood's struggle with heroin and eventual death, and of Mother Love Bone's albums detracts from this article by straying far beyond the subject.
2. I restructured the name discrepancy paragraph so that the known fact (they came up with the name at a coffee shop) comes first. Followed by the two conflicting views on the meaning of the name. I have heard Eddie tell the story of where the name came from in more than one occasion, so I removed the refference to Rolling Stone.
3. The discussion of the album "No Code" contained a great deal of personal opinion. It said it was a great album and it was as good or better than previous albums. I removed those personal opinions because this needs to be objective. I am sure there are fans who disagree and think No Code was a weak album (although I happen to agree that it is one of the best albums myself). I removed the detail about touring without ticketmaster from there because the ticketmaster thing had been mentioned in a previous paragraph, so I felt it was kind of redundant.
That was all for the major edits. Everything else was just detail.
"Bootlegs"
I came here to learn more about them, but there's nothing here. Amazon link [2] --Wasabe3543 17:19, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
- Search for "bootleg" in the article (it's in the history section). They're too numerous to include in the discog.. — Jeandré, 2005-05-04t23:21z
Vandalism?
I was just reading the article when, suddenly, reaching the end of the History Section, I found this strange comment, totally out of context and explicitly aggresive:
Matt Cameron the current drummer is good but acts like a retard
I am a total newbie to wikipedia, so, could you guys solve this?