User talk:Netrat

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Concerning your comment on my talk page: the items from the trivia section were converted to footnotes (see WP:FOOTNOTE) to convey the information better and avoid a list of random bulleted information. See also WP:TRIVIA regarding trivia sections. Just64helpin (talk) 23:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.: Part of the trivia section was also converted into the "past influences" section. Just64helpin (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The references to Davis, Joplin, etc are not directly made in the film. The inclusion of this material may be original research and needs sources. Unsourced material may be removed at any time. If sources that draw connections between the animated characters and actual persons are found, the material may be restored and placed in the "past influences" section, or as footnotes. Just64helpin (talk) 02:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biography Edit

Concerning your message, I edited simple because ANN has an incorrect information listing about her year of birth. Neither does Geneon, blog, fansite, nor JP Wiki list or mention her year of birth. Please keep it that way until an official listing from any of those sites emerges. Anime News Network does not constitute as "accurate" information listing. Also, her name is suppose to be capitalized.

Thank you for your time.--24.12.22.32 (talk) 07:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Geneon or I'VE Sound have released any information pertaining to her year of birth, nor KOTOKO for the matter has revealed her year of birth. Russian Wiki copied it from the English Wiki version, same as to what ANN did."Supposively", the guess of her year of birth came from one of her BBS fansites, that was wishing her a happy birthday. Russian Wiki is NOT the primary source "on Wiki" for information concerning KOTOKO, it is the JP Wiki. I took the time and translated half of the JP Wiki stuff and implanted it onto the English Wiki article for KOTOKO back in 2006.

Albeit, ANN is a reliable source for "anime". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.22.32 (talk) 21:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Russian cult games article

Hi Netrat msk,

I saw it was you who added the russian equivalent of the cult video games article.
Since I don't know any Russian, I though I might enquire whether you know for certain if you linked to the right article, since a big part of the list of games I see on the Russian page would not be considered cult-games (though some do as well).

cheers GameLegend (talk) 11:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GameLegend, I have linked the right page. The literal translation of the name of the page is "Cult computer games". Yes, we do have a major problem with this page in Russian Wiki, as some people don't seem to understand what cult game is, stating that any hit game is a cult game and any hit film is a cult film. We are working on re-writing Russian article. Netrat_msk (talk) 11:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okido. Thank you.

I was just curious, hence the question ;-)

cheers GameLegend (talk) 10:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Ukrainian hip-hop

No offense, but it seems that you don't know much about Ukrainian rap. VovaZiL'vova had a hip-hop TV show on the television channel M1, which greatly popularized home-grown rap in Ukraine. Vkhid U Zminnomu Vzutti was also well-known, in particular its member Potap, and WolFF is Lviv's number one club rapper. There are many more Ukrainophone groups that are way more serious than TNMK, which is sort of a joke, and they should be mentioned. If you want proof, go to YouTube and type in some of those names - you'll see a good amount of professional clips. Cossack (talk) 08:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for information. I guess that being a host of a TV show does make you a popular person, it however does not make you a popular rapper.

As for WolFF, does "club rapper" mean he uses crank style or does it mean he only raps at parties? If he's a party MC without any published albums (mixtapes don't count), I don't think he's notable enough, as there are dozens of such MC who are only known to a very small selection of clubgoers.

I have never seen any of albums by these artists posted to rapsubs.com.ua, so how come they are popular and they had never been pirated by this wonderful web site? ;-)

As for YouTube, there are professional videos by a lot of people, Ugo for example, but you are not including them into the article, so I'm not sure this is a proper argument.

There is a list of criteria for musicians: Wikipedia:Music#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles? Do these artists qualify?

My point is there are be a lot of older bands that are still not covered in the article, so including much younder bands looks like an advertisment. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with you on scrapping WolFF. Vova is beyond question, however, and VUZV's Potap is very well-known - although perhaps not so much in Europe or America since they weren't around to sing on the Maidan in 2004. With regard to YouTube videos - maybe western amateurs can make professional-looking videos, but in Eastern Europe it's hard to find that kind of technical expertise without decent money. Even renouned artists often have a hard time producing quality videos. As for the site you linked, there was barely any Ukrainophone rap mentioned on it aside from TNMK. Believe me, I don't enjoy arguing about this, but one thing I enjoy less than arguing about which musician is more popular is seeing TNMK with idiotic songs like Do Me The Hip-Hop and Dybany Mene as the the only representatives of an entire genre of music in Ukraine. Cossack (talk) 09:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"In Eastern Europe it's hard to find that kind of technical expertise without decent money" - having spent my whole life in Russia, I sure know this :-) But having a pofessional video does not make an artist an established one. For example, there are miriads of wanna be pop starlets in ex-USSR, who have no recognizion but have professional videos paid off by their wealthy husbands or parents. Did you ever heard of Valov's 13-y.o. protege Zhorik? Althoug, I agree that this hardly applies to these rappers. If you are sure they are good examples of what's going on the scene and you are not assotiated with them, I guess it's safe to have them in the article. But anyway, mentioning younger bands and no mentioning older, more established bands is not OK, do you agree?

TNMK may sound like clowns sometimes, but songs like Voda prove that they are not ones. After all, when hip-hop originated in 70's, it was fun party music with a twist of humour, only embracing more serious themes of Public Ennemy and GangStarr much later. I believe Kharkov should be proud to have TNMK, and mindless club rap such as crunk is much more shamefull than light pop-rap tunes of TNMK and Boombox. Netrat_msk (talk) 10:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ну в принципе я согласен, что юмор в отечественной музыке - это плюс. Но если бы ТНМК только шутили - музыка у них не то что бы даже нормальная. Вот, например, слегка хип-хопистый Тартак или там Борщ (панк-рок) тоже с юмором поют, а вот музыка у них живая, хорошая. Учитывая качество творчества, которое видно на современной украинской музыкальной арене, две-три хорошие песни ТНМК (по-моему) не извиняют. Вообще о вкусах не спорят, но найдите в инете записи Вовы со Львова или ВУЗВ (могу линки дать) - сразу поймете, что это настоящий хип-хоп, с которым ТНМК ни в какое сравнение не идет. А ВульФФа я дейстивельно зря включил, пойду-ка удалю. Кроме как во Львове о нем мало кто знает.

P.S. Кстати, насчет клипов - в России у всяких там музыкантов-новичков на такое гораздо больше возможностей, чем у их коллег в Украине. Об этом как-то в интервью заявил Олег Скрипка. Cossack (talk) 03:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Тартак слушаю с огромным удовольствием, особенно "Систему Нервов". Но не сказал бы, что они "живее" ТНМК. Как по составу (в ТНМК даже больше инструменталистов, чем в Тартаке, есть даже духовики), так и по настроению. Вот альбом Jazz Live у ТНМК слышали? Это же что-то невероятное. Куда уж живее? За линки на Вову со Львова и ВУЗВ буду благодарен (ВУЗВ у меня был, но всего один сборник и в плохом качестве). Насчёт клипов - не знаю-не знаю, у российских 2H Company и Gunmakaz до сих пор клипов нет. Попсовые варианты вроде KREC считать не будем? Вообще мне казалось, что на Украине ситуация с музыкой получше, чем в России, заваленной попсовым продуктом. А Сприпка, видимо, намекал на московское "Наше Радио", дающее площадку молодой поросли поп-рока. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Вову со Львова и ВУЗВ можно скачать тут. А еще тут есть целый альбом Вовы. На здоровье! :-) Cossack (talk) 17:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hustle & Flow

Hey, my suggestion is to mention the specific Academy Award win, as well as other wins or nominations, after the first sentence of the lead section. Saying "Academy Award-winning" is too vague and attaches too much instant credibility to the film when the specific accolades can be identified after the basic film information. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MOSFILM#Lead section suggests skipping the vague wording of "Academy Award-winning" and instead specifying the wins and nominations later on. I haven't evaluated the impact of such wording with biographical articles, as most awards are pretty high-level. However, Academy Awards can cover different categories and fail to truly establish the kind of credibility a film has. Just because there was a good song in the film does not necessarily mean the whole film is to be touted. I've also taken the liberty to specifically mention the Academy Award wins. I think the other awards mentioned in the article body should have some mention, too, though. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]