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Charles I of Austria

I do not think that Charles I of Austria belongs on the list of Bohemian saints. Firstly, he is not saint, he is just blessed. Secondly, although he, as a monarch of the Habsburg empire, was also the king of Bohemia (despite the fact he had never been crowned), he was not Bohemian. Similarly, we would not include Queen Elisabeth II on the list of Scots, or George W. Bush on the list of Hawaiians. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 07:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right, but as for St. Vitus, I realize he's not Bohemian, but he does have an extremely prominent cathedral named after him in Prague, so I suppose a mention couldn't hurt. I'd definitely remove Charles I though.--The Dominator (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll remove him.

Yes, St. Vitus Cathedral is really prominent, sort of "national treasury", but despite this, St. Vitus was not Bohemian. We would probably not mention Paul the Apostle among English saints, no matter how prominent St. Paul's Cathedral is. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 22:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah you're right, do you have any suggestions for general cleanup of this page? Because I managed to expand it but at the moment it is more like a categorized list of famous Czechs, we need some factual info.--The Dominator (talk) 03:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article would need more information about history and development of Czech ethnicity. I have some ideas for partial improvement, but I will have to find some sources. I have not had much time for any systematic work on Wikipedia, but if I find something, I'll try to write it as soon as possible. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Persistent abusive editor

I want to document that there is an anonymous editor who makes abusive edits to several Czech related pages, most notably this one and the Czech Republic article. On this article, he or she refuses to acknowledge that "Čechové" is the archaic Czech word for Czech people. In the Czech Republic page, the anonymous editor insists on stating that "Čechy" is the correct Czech name for the country. This is not a legitimate good faith content dispute at this point. The anon editor has repeatedly violated 3RR (see the article history), uses false edit summaries[1] [2], and personal attacks [3] [4] [5] [6] (the Czech translations are definitely personal attacks). Indefinite blocking would be clearly warranted, but for the fact that the editor uses changing IP addresses. Note that the problematic IP addresses have started with 71.99... .--Kubigula (talk) 04:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See here for a full list of sockpuppets: Wikipedia:Abuse reports/71.x.x.x, the editor has had a long past of these types of edits.--The Dominator (talk) 05:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

71.122.... is also quite possibly the same individual.--The Dominator (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"archaic"

Any source for your use of word "archaic"? No? None? Really none? Then stop abusing your admin privileges and lok for one first instead! 71.99.101.129 (talk) 00:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think that it's a stretch to include the word "Čechové" in the first place, the Czech Wikipedia doesn't include it and it's titled "Češi", if we have to include it though, it is under archaic as it is not used at all. "Češi" is commonly used in the Czech Republic by Czechs, I welcome any thoughts on this, and thank you for actually discussing, we get further this way than by you making personal attacks and false edit summaries and also the thing with reverting my edits just for the sake of undoing my edits, if you dispute one of my edits, feel free to discuss, but reverting my fixing of spelling and grammar mistakes is not helpful and will only get more IP addresses blocked. Again feel free to explain why you believe it's inappropriate to label "Čechové" archaic, but for the moment it seems to be consensus.--The Dominator (talk) 03:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at 10 or so Czech English dictionaries, and none of them even list "Čechové"; they all use Češi as the word for Czech people. Also, to follow up on Dominik's point, you really need to stop edit-warring, stalking, and making personal attacks before your comments become welcome here.--Kubigula (talk) 03:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that "Čechové" refers to the tribe that the Czechs were developed from, they were also referred to as "Češi". The former was quite common in medieval times and was still possibly in use in the early 19th century, but 19th is the latest that it could possibly have been used so archaic is most likely the correct term and simply saying "Cesi or Cechove" is incorrect as it makes it seem that they are both commonly used, what if a person reading this article under anon.'s version would see "Cechove" and decide to use that instead of Cesi, than the reader just gained false information, as for a source, there probably is one somewhere, but it's pointless as I have never heard anybody say "Cechove" and the only Google hits are to articles about the history of Czechs or books about the history of the Czechs (using the word as archaic). Also as Kubigula has pointed out, Czechs is simply not translated into "Cechove" therefore it's not official either.--The Dominator (talk) 04:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And resourcers are where? Still nowhere to be find? Thats what i thougt. No one cares here about two kids forcing their view on spoken Czech language. BTW it seems to be really wierd books printed in last 5 years using word Cechove? How about that.

You too need to stop ASSUMING. No ones cares about your assuming. Show some references. You are young. ok but there is no excuse for being ignorant. 71.99.95.29 (talk) 04:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Books printed in the last five years use the word on purpose since they are referring to the ancient Czech tribes. You seem to be very emotional about this, relax man :) We're just discussing a Wikipedia article.--The Dominator (talk) 04:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And can you please stop reverting my edits at Reservoir Dogs (video game) [7] and Socialism with a human face, the first is just a grammar correction and the second is an edit made by consensus.--The Dominator (talk) 04:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question about germanic influince

I often see czech people who don't look typically slavic, even those who look quite germanic (including many blondes). Is this from mixing with Germans, are they German, or is this simply what czechs typically look alike? - PietervHuis (talk) 20:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that in slavic population are many blonde people. Of course typical German (from eastern regions) is blonde, nordic, type and there are many of Czech looking bit like that. But even if there are some German influences in the look of Czech people, its not actually genuine German looking what they have. I personally easily recognise German people when they are as tourists in Prague for exapmle. On the other hand, Czechs dont have what I find typical slavic look often. I mean look of Russians or Ukrainians, round faces, mostly dark-haired. So in my opinion Czech look is mix of several influences, but the German one doesnt dominate.