Talk:List of One Piece episodes (seasons 1–8)

FUNimation Uncut Episodes

Should this Section be edited to include FUNi's Uncut Episode Titles as they come out? Should another Section be made? Something should be done since the First DVD is already out. User:DemonRin 08:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

This is something I've been wondering for awhile now. More specifically, I'm wanting to know if there's ultimately any point to listing the FUNi episodes on the dubbed list, since they're not cutting and editing episodes like 4Kids was doing, and they're re-dubbing and re-releasing the first 143 episodes as well. I'll probably end up asking about this and a related DBZ issue at the main animanga project page. —Dinoguy1000 17:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I replaced the old titles for episodes 1-13 with FUNi's titles. There's no reason to really go with alternative translations when professionally translated ones are readily available. Plus, these translations are more accurate anyway - how the crap anyone got "Showdown Between the True Powers of the Devil" from "Akuma no Mi no Nōryoku Taiketsu!" is beyond me. If anyone has a problem with the FUNi titles being used, please provide a good reason as to why Joe Fansubber's translations should take priority over Clyde Mandelin's professional work, or even over some random Wikipedia guy who happens to be just as bilingual as the fansubber. AdamantBMage (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Navigation

Forgive me if I don't follow the formating for adding a post to this page. I don't edit wikipedia much because what I can do is limited not knowing the conventions or coding. I can never make myself learn the conventions used because I can't justify the effort considering how little I edit wikipedia. All I ask this one time is you look past my horrid formating to answer the question I am trying to pose. What happened to the navigation at the top of the page in the past four days. The history for the 26th of May had the one I'm referring to. It was organized and easy to use, the best out of any episode list I've seen on wikipedia, which for some reason has become my de facto source for watching a new anime or checking when episodes come out in japan, but has since been replaced with a standard list that in addition to not fitting on one screen length for most users takes longer to express less information. Just asking why it was removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.165.79 (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It was not appropriate at all and violates our MoS. We do not use that sort of system of navigation. The standard menu is sufficient, and will be even more so when this article is cleaned up. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to say I agree with 68.205.165.79. The page was excellent, probably the best episode guide on Wikipedia. The standard menu is not clear enough in comparison. That’s a reel loss in term of clarity of information, and therefore, of time. -- [[::User:Loriquet|Loriquet]] ([[::User talk:Loriquet|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Loriquet|contribs]]) 02:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loriquet (talk • contribs)

It was very appropriate. I'm not going to argue if it violates the MoS, but instead argue if it increases the effectiveness of navigation. What good is the MoS if it hinders an articles worth because it's impossible to navigate? The previous navigation provided a gateway to the rest of the article by organizing the arcs visually. The standard ToC is woefully inadequate in this context; there is nothing to indicate what episodes an arc comprises of or what saga it's a part of, and it doesn't make use of the horizontal space taken advantage of beautifully by the previous navigation. This is very non-intuitive and annoying to use. Qtcider (talk) 00:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

To both of you, no, it does not lose information, no the previous navigation was not a good thing. This is not a fansite, nor a personal webpage. Consistency is important between articles. The standard TOC is perfectly acceptable and provides the appropriate navigation. It is not impossible the navigate, the arcs are very likely to be stripped out, so that won't be an issue. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

You think in programmer instead of thinking in designer. A user doesn’t care if the MoS are violated or not. He just wants the information he needs as quickly as possible. That’s not the case here.

See, I have a large screen, using a high resolution, but, when I arrive on the page, I don’t see the menu entirely! Ergonomically speaking, that’s bad, really bad. Personally, I don’t want to go to the end of the page to see if new episodes have been released, if I can have the information on the top (and I don’t even talk about the problem of spoilers by navigating on the page!).

The real progress is, when someone has a good idea (here, a horizontal menu), to reproduce it. I think every episodes guides on Wikipedia should take example on what was the previous version of this one. Not the contrary…

PS: I’m French, so excuse me if I make some mistakes. [[::User:Loriquet|Loriquet]] ([[::User talk:Loriquet|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Loriquet|contribs]]) 21:02, 03 June 2008 (UTC)

Um, no, I think in both as I am both. The episode list is going to be completely reorganized, so it does not matter. The menu was not appropriate, now or then, nor do we do anything to attempt to hide spoilers. Wikipedia is not a spoiler free zone. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 20:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

List organization

The "arcs" and "Saga" names here appear to be fan-created splits, and not actual official titles. This is not a valid way to split the list at all. The think the episodes need to be reorganized and resplit, preferably along simpler lines. Funimation is releasing the series in season sets, suggesting it does have official seasons. As such, I propose the list here be split like such:

• Season 1 (episodes 1-26)
• Season 2 (episodes 27-52)
• Season 3 (episodes 53-78)
• Season 4 (episodes 79-104)
• Season 5 (episodes 105-130)
• Season 6 (episodes 131-156)
• Season 7 (episodes 157-182)
• Season 8 (episodes 183-208)
• Season 9 (episodes 209-234)
• Season 10 (episodes 235-260)
• Season 11 (episodes 261-286)
• Season 12 (episodes 287-312)
• Season 13 (episodes 313-338)

And then two seasons can be combined into a single subpage, mimicking List of Naruto episodes.

Alternatively, we can split along the changing in opening themes:

• Episodes 1-47
• Episodes 48-116
• Episodes 117-168
• Episodes 169-206
• Episodes 207-263
• Episodes 264-279
• Episodes 279-283
• Episodes 284-325
• Episodes 326-

I believe organizing it around either of these methods will produce a cleaner, easier to navigate list and remove some of the most visible WP:OR on the page. Thoughts? -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

We could also follow the Japanese releases, which did start breaking it down into chunks after a while - that does leave a very long first season, and might be a bit harder to verify, but it is closer to the story based arcs currently being used. Doceirias (talk) 01:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Good idea Collectonian, List of Naruto episodes seems like a fine precedent. Copy-paste the layout, then write over it. I'll help fill in any details if needed. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been conflicted for a long time on what the proper organizational tool is for separating into "seasons." List of Naruto episodes goes every 26 episodes, but I don't know whether that arbitrary number is a season, or the opening themes designate a season (which seems more logical, given that opening themes tend to characterize the content they're covering). However, if we went by opening seasons for the Naruto episodes, then we would be doing every 25 episodes per season, not every 26 episodes. The Bleach episodes at List of Bleach episodes go by this route, although they have the benefit of named and defined story arcs that double as seasons, similar to List of YuYu Hakusho episodes. That said, IGN defines one Naruto season as 26 episodes (see here for an example), so I guess that's official. And the DVD set boxes each house 13 episodes, so two boxes cover a season, so I guess it makes sense that way too. What makes this odd is that the Bleach episodes go by opening themes that clearly define story arcs (that are officially named), so I guess it's just a difference between series.

And to stop a similar thing from occurring here, I've also been irked for a while how the Naruto episodes were arbitrarily put into double season lists (List of Naruto episodes (seasons 1-2), List of Naruto episodes (seasons 3-4), etc.), and I have really big misgivings about fixing up and bringing List of Naruto episodes (seasons 5-6) to WP:FLC for a tougher crowd than the first two went through when it's subject to such an arbitrary split. I suggested a couple months ago that they could be split, but that discussion never really got off the ground. As such, I think we should consider splitting the respective episode lists into individual season pages (List of Naruto episodes (season 1), List of Naruto episodes (season 2), etc.). We'll lose two FLs, but they can be brought back to WP:FLC and passed with a small bit of cleanup and little fuss (and we'll end up with 4 FLs over two anyway :p). My main point in this rant is to avoid something similar happening here, and to make sure that individual season articles get created. I might start a discussion at Talk:List of Naruto episodes over this in a bit. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 09:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to comment at the discussion at Talk:List of Naruto episodes#Breaking the season lists, round two. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 09:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd be fine with individual season lists as well. I only suggested doubles because of Naruto :P (though sometimes I wish I'd done doubles with the Lassie episode list, and its 19 seasons LOL -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 16:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Bringing the list up to snuff

Did a chunk of it today, changing the fields in episodes 14-300something to the correct format. You can help; remove the image caption field, add |JapaneseTitle = and |KanjiTitle = below |EnglishTitle = and then copy and past the kanji title from the list at ja:ONE PIECE (アニメ) here. That way, all I have to do is transliterate them. Doceirias (talk) 03:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Anime Only ("Filler")

When an anime is made from a manga, the anime is produced faster and therefore the plot of the anime quickly catches up to the manga. It is therefore neccassary to pad the anime with extra plot so that the manga can catch up. This is called "filler". Its not that hard to read a manga and then watch an anime and realize that some of the stuff that's in the anime is not in the manga.

This is useful information. For example, me and my friends are currently watching the entire One Piece Series and we've agreed to skip over the filler. We use the valuable information on Wikipedia to help us decide which episodes are worth watching. Since this information has been repeatedly deleted from Wikipedia we are forced to use http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Episodes .

If you insist that filler is a subjective term, then let us use the term "Anime Only" or "Not in the Manga" or "Original for the Anime". But this is verifiable information, its not something that fans just made up.

32.97.110.142 (talk) 20:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

No. This is a list of the ANIME episodes. They are all "anime only." I'm glad you've turned to the wikia. A fansite like that is an appropriate location for such labeling, not here. Now please stop trying to add the labels back, as they are subjective and do not belong here at all, nor do any other substitute labels. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 21:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Even on the wikia we'd only allow them in the form of "category". I'll admit foremost that they are indeed not appropreate here and not worth mentioning. If you really want a list of fillers, any forum will happily supply you with it if you just ask the members nicely. ¬_¬' Angel Emfrbl (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you explain exactly why this label is not allowed? As I've explained, some episodes are based on content from the manga and some aren't. If you actually watched these animes you might realize that. You haven't demostrated to me that this is in any way subjective. If you can point me to a wikipedia style guide that specifically says that this is inappropriate, fine. But otherwise, stop being obsesive. Its not like it costs wikipedia money to have this useful information availible.