Talk:Orange Revolution/Archive 1
The Orange Revolution had happened before Slobodan Milosevic - it was a movement called the Orange Alternative in Poland, during the Solidarity uprising (early 1980-'s). The main idea was to avoid communist represion and censors, by doing alternative, sometimes surrealistic protests which did not directly attacked the Power, but everybody knows, that it was a way to make fun and humiliate the regime.
Witold
Time to put an orange on the Seder plate, perhaps? Rickyrab 01:10, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
How do you make a page for deletion? this "revoulition" is nothing more then Ukraine's fighting back against authortarians, while noble, its not something that deserves an encylopedia reference Pellaken 13:55, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Some might argue that an event occupying the attention of a country of 50 million for weeks, which has seen rallies of hundreds of thousands, and influencing its democratic future, is even more significant than the Prince Edward Island Draft Beer Party. But if you think you can get more support for deleting this than the fifty or more Wikipedians who have contributed to this article, you can learn about the procedure at Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Good luck. —Michael Z.
Should the "current event" tag be removed? It's doubtful that new stuff will be coming in rapidly about this. Mntlchaos 08:20, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC) ~
Ukrainian intelligence and security agencies chapter
I changed "successor to the Ukrainian KGB" by "the Ukrainian successor agency to the KGB". As far as I know, there were no such a thing as Ukrainian KGB in the USSR. The KGB was a central agency, similar to what in the US is called "Federal". If it's incorrect to say "a New York FBI" or "NY CIA", we should avoid saying "Ukrainian KGB" referring to the Soviet time. If my information is incorrect, please revert. Irpen 19:09, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
As a matter of fact, "Ukrainian KGB" (KGB USSR) did exist - as a republic level KGB subdivision. Mapple 18:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Oops; I just amended your edit, before reading this comment; sorry. Feel free to revert, since you seem to know more about the subject than I. Cheers. —Michael Z. 2005-06-1 21:24 Z
Blue ribbon
Someone removed the Janukovych blue ribbon. Why? Kazak
- The removal was supplied with an explanatory comment you can see in the history: (rv. blue ribbon not notable in this context. Would be good for the article about Yanukovich's political force.). I hope you find this explanation convincing. If not, let's discuss it at this page. Irpen 07:26, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
- Janukovych's movement was, although ineffective, a counter to Jushchenko. The revolution involved him a lot, so I thought it appropriate to include it. Kazak
It is entirely appropriate to include factual material about Yanukovich's movement as well as pictures, like the one article has about miner's demontsrations. The ribbon, however, is not a picture of events, it's nothing more than a symbol. An article about O.R. has a symbol of O.R. which is fine, but in my opinion the symbol of Yanukovich's campaign does not belong to the O.R. article. I am opposing this not for ideological, but for purely stylistical reasons. Balance is always good, but to bring something out of place into the article with the claim that it would make it more balanced is a wrong approach. If you see the article is unbalanced, feel free to add relevant material to it, just try to keep it encyclopedic. Thanks, -Irpen 05:33, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
- I just saw the Orange Revolution as a struggle between both sides, not just Jushchenko's movement. Never mind. :-) Kazak
"Protests organized by Pora" version
Pora unquestionably played an important role in O.R. However, the version offered recently is a distortion of the events. I reverted the first insertion of manifestations being cell-phone organized because it simply doesn't fit the common sense and the course of events, which I was following very closely. I appreciate that Ryzzofoshizzo cited a source which I carefully read. Well, the source article does say that Pora used modern communications in its actions to make them more timely and to avoid the state control. However, nowhere does it say in the article that the end-October 2004 manifestations were organized solely, or mainly, by Pora, though it unquestionably took an active part. It is just too small. It is active and well-organized enough to be an important actor, but not to bring 0.5 - 1 mln people to the streets. Those were common Kievans (initially) joined by protesters arrived from provinces within the next days and most of this folks don't have cell phones and rarely, if at all, use internet. Many of them were moderate, rather than active, supporters of Yuchshenko, and came to protest against the electoral fraud more than against Yanukovich. Most of these folks would have accepted Yanukovich, should they be convinsed that he won fairly, and were just ticked off by an obvious lie. I respect Ryzzofoshizzo's contribution but I am going to rerevert it from this article. The info would be useful though for Pora article, which is badly outdated. I will put this on my todo list. Thanks! --Irpen 23:46, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Polish involvement in the Orange Revolution
The article does not cover the role of Poland/Polish politicians in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. The Polish support for Viktor Yuschchenko has been the main reason for strenghtening of the Polish-Russian political tensions. The questions is - should it be included in the Alleged involvement of outside forces paragraph? The Polish support was official - so perhaps we should write about the international reactions to the Orange Revolution?
What are your ideas?
--ish_warsaw 23:04, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the whole negotiations process with international mediators is totally ommitted. That's a real blunder. Thanks for pointing this out. I will see what can be done, but I won;t promise any time frame. You are welcome to try to write about this. Thanks! --Irpen 23:19, August 31, 2005 (UTC)