Talk:The Family That Slays Together, Stays Together (Part I)

Cultural References In The Plot

Please refrain from explaining cultural references in the plot summary. It makes the plot too long and distracting to read. Plus we have a section for the Cultural References. 72.250.160.130 (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm pretty sure the shark was dressed up in Brock's clothes and hair, they weren't just in a pool of blood. Edited accordingly.

On the goofs; actually when Brock initially notices an engine getting hit the explosion is on the right side of the plane. But as the camera pans out aftre he says the starboard engine is out the engine on the left is on fire. So either both engines got put out of commission or the whole thing is goofed up. I'd go for this not being a goof and Brock being correct about the starboard engine. --Rifter0x0000 (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Herr Trigger" and other references

I might be alone on this, but I also got the impression that his appearance and mannerisms in that sequence were possibly a visual gag on the Aeon Flux series and the characters there. In addition, of course, to the possibly more obvious references to The Terminator's motorcycle chase scene. 24.128.63.214 (talk) 22:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Herr Trigger was not inspired by Aeon Flux --PseudoChron (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I actually thought Aeon Flux too. Glad I was not alone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.107.39.123 (talk) 03:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, all the licking of the weapon reminded me of AF as well. Go Fish reminded me of the old Aquaman villian, the Fisherman. ---emb021. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.182.158.153 (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that he is East German and a biathlon champion is clearly a reference to an KGB assassin from the James Bond movie, For Your Eyes Only. Why was it removed? Hell, why were the other references relating to the hired assassins removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.201.113 (talk) 11:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing... the French assassin's outfit. KRAVEN THE HUNTER?! Anyone?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.201.113 (talk) 12:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because they were unsourced speculation.

If you're guessing something's a reference, or you think it's a reference, or you're sure it's a reference, don't add it to the article. If a reliable source says it's a reference, then you add it to the article. There are projects devoted to guessing at all the references (TV Tome and the VB Wikia come immediately to mind) but this is emphatically not it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for ruining a few interesting pages on Venture episodes "A Man In Black." Where are people supposed to cite information for stuff like this? There aren't periodicals that publish Venture Brothers references. No one at home is going "MY GOD HENRY KILLINGER IS A REFERENCE TO HENRY KISSINGER - CAN THEY PROVE THAT!?" No. A few of the 'cultural references' might be speculation, but you're using the OR rule in places I think it should be left out. Aside from asking Adult Swim, how are you supposed to prove any of their cultural references?

It still stands that they are beneficial to the viewers of the show, and interesting to the fans. You're just being a jerk.

If Brock talks about cleaning up a bisected corpse by referencing an artist who actually did work with bisected corpses, does making the connection count as an "original reference"? Do I need to cite Bertrand Russell and Alfred Whitehead's Principia Mathematica if I want to say 1 + 1 = 2? Or, more pertinently, do I need to site a reference book on fascism if I want to talk about A Man In Black's edits? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.202.178.66 (talk) 06:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the reference to fascism is unwarranted - fascism is far more extreme than bad edits.

However the culling of cultural references really is far more of a problem than irrelevant ones. The Venture Brothers is, by its nature, an extremely reference-dense show, so when in doubt, I tend to include things that seem reasonably plausible. For instance in this, I don't buy that Molotov's henchpeople are named after Joan Jett's bands as there's no evidence (it could just be her eyepatch). On the other hand Holy Diver and Sky Pilot, two characters with names easily traceable to songs (one of which quite well known), seems to indicate a deliberate reference.

It's an art, not a science. XWayfarer (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are far too many cultural references in this show to pad the already-too-long articles with speculative cultural references. For example, Go Fish's inspiration is Quint? Um, wait until you hear that on a commentary before posting it. Please. 72.250.160.130 (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A pretty good point there - we know there's a lot, we don't want to obscure what's obvious. In the case of Go Fish, I can see why someone would think that, but Quint himself is sort of the "archetypical sea dog" type character anyway. Come to think of it, I think that one should probably be removed. XWayfarer (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please understand I'm not trying to pick on anyone here -- that was just an example. It's just a slippery slope. The Spy Hunter reference is another good example... it's a reach. I think the Quint thing may well be correct. We just don't have room for the maybes. :) Evilwillhunting (talk) 19:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Hunter Gathers's Car"

When I saw what Hunter's car could do, I immediately thought of the video game "Spy Hunter" as it also had a forward shooting machine gun and an oil slick it could use. When Brock shot a pedestrian car by accident (a common mistake in the game, causing you to stop gaining points for a set period of time) I felt this clinched it. Does anyone else feel the same? 144.13.101.203 (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it's more spy cars in general. Spy Hunter didn't have an ejector seat. But I'm pretty sure at least one Bond car had all 3 of these features. - CortJstr (talk) 16:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It just seemed to be a very "stereotypical" spy car to me. I could easily see authors going "Hunter Gathers . . . spy . . . Spy Hunter! He needs a cool car," but it wouldn't be a reference. XWayfarer (talk) 18:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music References

The writers of The Venture Bros. love music references, and I caught a few that aren't mentioned yet: Molotov Cocktease's henchwomen are referred to as "The Blackhearts", no doubt a reference to Joan Jett and the Blackhearts; similarly ex-OSI agents 'Shoreleave' and 'Mile High' have redubbed themselves "Holy Diver" after the song and album by heavy metal artist Ronnie James Dio, and "Sky Pilot", after the song by Eric Burden and the Animals. I have a feeling there were more that I recongnized, but I forget them at the moment. I'd add them myself, but I'm a noob and don't wanna mess it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.198.166 (talk) 05:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pixelated Hotel Name

Anybody know why the hotel sign is obscured and what it actually says? 82.45.53.159 (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tralfaz

I don't want to interfere with the epistemological dispute about what constitutes original research, but should sanity return (or this little tidbit gets published in a scholarly journal for citation), please note: Gathers gives Brock the false name "Jesús Tralfaz". Tralfaz was the birth name of the Jetsons' dog Astro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.173.178.24 (talk) 09:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]