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They are races. Anyone who thinks they aren't should ride in the top ten in one of these events. Participants have motor support and ride it like a race, they are awarded prizes, people's finishing position and time is logged and there are podium presentations at the end. Winning a race like the Ardechoise or Marmotte is something of considerable prestige for french amateur riders. Just because many participants don't treat it as a race (like the London Marathon) it doesn't mean it isn't a race.

Suitable bikes for the sportive

This section sounds biased to me and I propose removing it. I don't doubt that racing bikes are used by the majority of riders, but I bet you will also find some mountain bikes. I don't think that everyone considers "in equal proportions" comfort and speed. Finally, the paragraph on carbon bikes is POV - non-carbon bikes are perfectly suitable for cyclosportives too. RosinDebow (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There were no objections, so I went ahead and removed the section. RosinDebow (talk) 12:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Timing Standards

If anyone knows the formula for timing standards I think that would add useful information. For instance it is often stated that Gold/Silver/Bronze standards are based on Age, Sex, distance, and vertical distance but it would be nice to know how much each attribute contributes to the calculation.

Thanks Chris 14 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpd1010 (talkcontribs) 17:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]