Talk:List of Code Geass characters

Cécile Croomy

Cécile Croomy, accent or no accent? I think there should be an accent, since the official website spells it with an accent. - Plau (talk) 07:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Which official website? The one I use only includes names in Japanese.

-- Fallacies (talk) 07:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Second that. Adult Swim uses no accent. The episode credits use no accent. The Japanese site doesn't even use English. The OST 2 booklet uses no accent. The weight of common use falls to no accent. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

THIS ONE! http://code-geass.bandai-ent.com/characters/cecile.php - Plau (talk) 08:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Correct it as you will, I guess.

-- Fallacies (talk) 09:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Romanization of Tōdōh

Concerning the current romanization of Tōdōh's name, shouldn't the "h" be removed since the macron is already present to indicate the long vowel in his name? Usually the long "o" would be romanized as "oh", "ou", "oo", "ō", or just "o" (so Tohdoh, Toudou, Todo, Tōdō appear to be consistent romanizations), but I've never seen a case with "ōh" before. 24.84.218.226 (talk) 06:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Adult Swim uses the h. They also don't use macrons. Something to fix at some point along with Ohgi's name. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Official Spelling from [1] is Kyoshiro Tohdoh. Also Should be move Kaname Ōgi and Kyōshirō Tōdōh to Kaname Ohgi and Kyoshiro Tohdoh respectively? - Plau (talk) 17:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

So moved. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Viceroy or Vicereine

For Cornelia and Euphemia, should we call them Viceroy and Sub-Viceroy or Vicereine and Sub-Vicereine. They should officially be called "Vicereine" but the official dub calls them "Viceroy". Any suggestions? - plau (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Now this is interesting, the Official Website uses... "...appointed as governor of Area 11." But this should be irrelevant. - plau (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Go with the dub usage. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 19:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

fukushahadō to "radiation wave"

Should we change fukushahadō to radiation wave as per this page? - plau (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Given that it also claims that Jeremiah pilots a Glasgow, I'm inclined to wait a week and let the dub confirm that fact. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 19:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

And the dub says: radiant wave surger. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

So do we change it? - plau (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes.

-- Fallacies (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Can't I add articles?

There are few that are in works, but the Diethard Reid is kinda ready but I think it still needs work. Can't I add that? SilentmanX 19:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

If you want to, but people might object to some article additions on grounds of lack of notability. The less notable the characters you add articles for are, the more likely they'll be deleted or merged into this list. You already face some opposition with the addition of minor characters to the template, which really isn't needed.

-- Fallacies (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Diethard is a fairly major character, since he joined the Black Knights, he has played a prominent role in both seasons, an adviser to Zero second only to C.C. (and arguably Kallen) On the topic of adding additional articles, I'd like to see a Lloyd article, he's another main character, and plays a much bigger part in things than some other characters that have their own article (eg. Clovis) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.39.212.58 (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Diethard has a bigger role than a lot of other characters with separate pages. He becomes a major player around the time of Clovis' funeral, and becomes the organizational second-in-command after Zero (compared to Tohdoh, who is the military second-in-command). He is responsible for the organization plan for the original Black Knights, and develops a new plan for reorganization after their exile. Given his numerous accomplishments within the series, I think he is deserving of his own article, since he has more screen time and is a more important character than Rivalz or Milly (who have their own articles).the_one092001 (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The Diethard Reid article is on, I hope nothing gets screwed like last time with Rouge Penguin who always redirects the article. If there are any characters you wish to see it gets they're own article, then list them up & I will see it get made. Also you can help out making the article from my page to improve it before it gets added in the List of Code Geass Characters article.User:SilentmanX (talk) 14:41, 01 July 2008 (UTC)

Please stop making articles. There are already too many that don't need them, which at some point I'll fold back into this article. Diethard has no information aside from his plot, and his skills aside he is largely a supporting character. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 14:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

He shows up more often than Clovis. Westrim (talk) 12:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

No doubt. Clovis is going to get folded in to. I only intend to leave the main characters. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The article folding has caused a major problem wherein most of the Royal Family got accidentally moved to the References section. My Wiki-fu is not good enough to fix the problem, and I don't want to exacerbate it by firing shots in the dark. Also, when did we decide to fold all the articles into the list? the_one092001 (talk) 02:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

If you'd rather they get AfD'd, which Collectionian will surely get around to, there's always that. I fixed the ref. Of the three articles on AfD, Knightmare Frame is the only one that is fairly certain to survive. The other two will get merged. People will be even less kind to the characters. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

All done. I won't merge the remaining characters, though I have doubts about justification for some of them should someone else want to go for it. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU MERGE THE OTHER ARTICLES!?!?!?!? YOUR GETTING RID OF THE ARTICLES THAT WE'VE MADE!!!! — User:SilentmanX (User talk:SilentmanX) 18:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't type in all caps. It's annoying. I explained my reasoning already. This would have happened anyway. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 17:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't like it either, but I have to agree. Collectonian would have gone after the rest of them soon enough, especially if her AfD's on the lists were defeated. And these extra character articles would be impossible to defend. It's better that we tastefully merge them now, instead of waiting for someone to tag them all for deletion and have a big argument over it. Because articles on relatively minor characters really can't be defended due to lack of sources and notability that isn't likely to be changed even when the series finishes. the_one092001 (talk) 18:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

But they weren't just merged- they were completely eliminated! I don't remember any discussion of doing so beforehand. Can I at least know how to view their records? Oh, and deleting something because you expect it to be deleted doesn't make much sense- it's like committing suicide because, heck, you're gonna die sometime. Is there a way to bring them back if a discussion leans towards that?Westrim (talk) 03:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Part of merging is eliminating the actual page and reducing the content. If you want to check the histories, all the links are in this cross section of my contribs. As for restoring them, as I said, merging them is better than having them deleted, which would have happened eventually. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

As I said, just because you believe that they were going to be deleted isn't reason enough to actually delete them. Also, whatever their size, they were still articles that deserved to have a discussion before they were deleted. Third, I understand reducing content, but not the near- annihilation of it. As a random sample, the Villeta Nu entry went from seven paragraphs to one, and the profile and representative pictures completely tossed. I suggest that if we are going to not have separate character pages, we should at least divvy up the main character page into faction lists- one for the Black knights, one for Britannians, and so on. That said, Thank you for providing those links to the character pages historiesWestrim (talk) 03:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Merging as a preemptive measure is better than going through the song and dance with an obvious outcome. If they had a chance of surviving, I would of discussed it. However, they didn't, so I went ahead and merged them. Also, they are much shorter because the details are minimalized. Everything that needs to be there is. Finally, the page isn't that long. Dividing isn't necessary. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought the outcome would be bad for the knightmare frame article, but happily it looks like I was wrong. That's part of why the song and dance is there. Same reason why everyone gets a trial if they want it. I would place Shirley ahead of Li Xingke in importance so far, for instance, having seeing all the episodes up through ep. 12 of season 2. The page is 90k and takes 30 taps of the pg dn bar to get to the bottom on a 17 inch screen- seems too long to me. Finally, I reject that "Everything that needs to be there is.' Using Villeta Nu as an example again, all mention on her first encounter with Lelouch is gone- very significant to everything that she does later, like personally pursuing Zero to begin with.Westrim (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The song and dance isn't there so it must be used. It's there for when it needs to be used. This instance isn't one that needs it. I only have 21 page downs, so judging by your particular screen isn't going to work. As for details, add to the entry if you feel it is missing something important. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I gave my screen size too, as well as the digital size of the article- for comparison, the FBI page is almost half as long despite more pictures. Considering the opposition posted here to your unilateral decision, I'm pretty sure that this is one of those times it needed to be used. I think that you knew that this opposition would exist, too, considering the original topic of this thread. I need to get ready for tomorrow now, so I won't look here again until Sunday.Westrim (talk) 04:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

There's always opposition. Though I hate to unleash my inner deletionist (lord knows I keep him tied down tighter than Kallen in episode 11), the opposition is hardly significant. There's YELLING SilentmanX, who fights to preserve every image he uploads, and you. Sorry to say, you haven't posted very good reasons to keep the articles, other than to get them deleted the "proper" way. Fallacies hasn't objected, and I expected him to by now. the_one09200 got my point. To your length argument, the FBI isn't a list. Lists are long. It's a fact. If they weren't, they wouldn't need to exist. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

After the series end, will the other articles come back?

Only if certain requirements are met. They need to each have a suitable number of sources, as well as some sort of notability. Rivalz will probably never get an article again; I have no idea why he got one in the first place. Schneizel might get one again if we get more information and/or he becomes a bigger character, as might the Emperor and V.V. But we're not going to unilaterally restore them without need.
I personally agree with The Rogue Penguin for the reasons that he stated. The articles were (even by my inclusionist standards) largely cruft, and were mostly uncited. I think that TRP might have asked first, but the result would have been the same. They could not be defended by any standard. Even the inclusionist Gundam universe has eliminated all of their minor character articles. The only ones left are for major characters, as was done here. the_one092001 (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it was the best course of action to merge the non-main characters. It would have saved everyone a lot of time and arguing about who should and who should not be deleted. Fenrir-of-the-Shadows (talk) 22:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is the Anya & Gino articles not there? Because they are mostly there & they might play a part in this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.76.195.192 (talk) 11:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

They're not real major characters yet. They were only introduced this season and as of yet are mainly comic relief and Suzaku's support team, so they're not major enough for their own articles anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The one092001 (talk • contribs) 08:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Imperial Family's middle name

Should the middle names be in small case? i.e. Charles di Britannia instead of Charles Di Britannia? Since the general norm is in small case... i.e. it's Leonardo da Vinci, not Leonardo Da Vinci. - plau (talk) 05:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... true. I think so too. --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 05:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I would say yes, since lower cases are used in the series itself. I mean... The image where you see "Charles di Britannia" written has it in lower case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miasmacloud (talk • contribs) 14:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

If you want to change it, go ahead, but please remember to change all appearances of every modifier on all relevant pages. This is important, because the articles interlink.

-- Fallacies (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... Thats gonna be a bit of a pain. I'll start changing some, so please help. There is most likely PLENTY of pages... --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 05:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've done as much as I can for today. Done all character pages & main pages with info, such as the main page, episode list, settings and themes page, etc. If you find others, please update them. Phew! --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 07:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You missed four. I recommend AWB. It's so much less of a pain in the ass to do this crap with it. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Close enough. I'm doing edits on a public comp, so I can't really install stuff. Just used IE, and yes, both using IE and doing the edits are painful... don't know which is more... --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 06:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

How old is Tianzi?

This has been going in my mind for a while now...How old is Tianzi anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.0.132 (talk) 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

According to magazine profiles, 13. -- Fallacies (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Britannian Imperial Family

Does anyone have a clue to the ethnicity of the Britannian Imperial Family. Also, which is more correct, "Imperial Family" or "Royal Family". Why? - plau (talk) 13:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

They're English, since they're descended from English nobility. As for Royal vs. Imperial, I can't give a decisive answer, but I prefer Royal Family because they are the successors to the British Royal Family. the_one092001 (talk) 02:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd go for "Imperial Royal Family", since members are typically addressed as "Imperial Prince", "Imperial Princess", etc. As for ethnicity, we're looking primarily at the ethnicities of the European settlers of North America, that is, most likely a mixture of British and French, with a fairly large variety of minorities. The names of the imperial family provide clues, in that we have French, German, even Greek names mixed in with English ones, suggesting something of a melting pot. Given the intense atmosphere of Social Darwinism and the taboo on associating with "numbers" that defines Britannia, however, it's entirely possible that, genetically, we're looking at the beginnings of a new race. Best guess is mixed caucasian. 70.65.49.27 (talk) 06:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Nina's "special moment"

Is there a way to just lock her specific section of the article? Looking at the history there were at least ten reverts of IP's adding her moment to her entry.Westrim (talk) 03:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

No, and semi-protection likely wouldn't go. People will forget in a week. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Lamperouge as maiden name

I dug a bit and found that it was fallacies that first added that info, so I asked them to weigh in, Rogue Penguin.Westrim (talk) 08:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright then. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 15:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggested as "possible maiden name of the mother" on the Lamperouge Family entry at the Geass Hatena Dictionary. I might have been overly definite with tone when adding the information.

-- Fallacies (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Better to stick with just "vi Britannia" then. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 16:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, agreed. Sorry Rogue Penguin, and thank you for the clarification, Fallacies. If they ever clear it up, it would make sense, though (aside from a secrecy POV). Westrim (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Anya

Someone added the "Anya pilots Ganymede" thing from the Sneaker KoR stories. This is incorrect. Its false info spread by whoever talked about the KoR novels first in English-speaking communities. She pilots the Europa, which is a spin off model of the Ganymede. (Note that they're all names of Jupiter moons; Nina or Kallen also mentions the Io in the Picture Dramas) Miasmacloud (talk) 12:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Should it be noted that Anya's first memory lapses occurred at around the same time as Mariannes murder?Westrim (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Milly in love with Lelouch?

Was she really? From what I remember from the episode, Milly just said she wanted someone to bring her Lelouch's hat. Now was this because she was in love with Lelouch, just to annoy Lelouch, or was it an elaborate plot that she knew would allow Shirley to get Lelouch's hat? At the end of the episode, she even tells Lelouch and Shirley that getting them together was her main goal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.131.206 (talk) 06:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

It's in the picture dramas. She's always been in love with Lelouch, which is why she enjoys messing with him. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Protected

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Nunnally MIA

As suggested, new section to discuss the inclusion of an MIA (whereabouts unknown, whatever) notice for Nunnally. Really it doesn't need to be there, any more than Suzaku nuking Tokyo would be in his section. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

No need for now. Let's just see what happens next episode first. If she's still actually missing, then put it in. Just coz something happened at the end of the previous episode doesn't mean we should just jump to conclusions and say she's missing. And there's really no need to detail everything that happens under each character section. -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 00:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Tianzi's official name

Her name is Jiang Lihua, and her birthdate is Jan 28. -- Fallacies (talk) 07:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

And? It's already in the article.Westrim (talk) 07:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

And this is a source. -- Fallacies (talk) 08:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It only helps if you actually say what the source is. This doesn't aid in figuring out what edition of what magazine it comes from. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Valkyrie Squad

They aren't the Knight of Ten's unit, they are the Knight of One's. Luciano asks him to give him command of them before going to the Tokyo settlement in episode 17. </nerd rage> Darfjono (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Please read. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, then why does he specifically ask the Knight of One to give him command in episode 17? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darfjono (talk • contribs) 23:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

He does not, he asks to take his Valkyries to the fighting. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Upon further inspection it appears you are correct. Must have misread zah subtitles before. Whatever, I'll swallow my pride here and be off.

Why the 10th guy has a squadron and the 1st doesn't confuses me.Darfjono (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Coz he don't need one, of course! :P -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

They're Luciano's flunkies; his yes-men who follow him around to do the grunt work. The rest of the pilots of the Rounds do their own work, and thus don't bother bringing along a support team that will likely only be killed by the often nearly insurmountable odds they face. His team is just Luciano's way of feeling important and compensating for the fact he's only the Knight of Ten. the_one092001 (talk) 03:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I forget who said it, but I believe it was said that their numbers other than the Knight of One have no overall bearing on their actual level of skill.

Plus, Luciano is a fucking crazy bastard. I guess he needed those girls to hold people in place while he tortures them Darfjono (talk) 04:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

"Skill" is a very variable measure and while it may not indicate a linear progression of skill, having a higher number would probably make a relatively shallow man like Luciano feel better. Luciano's the kind of "school bully" type that's strong as long as he has a posse on his side and thinks he's winning. He broke under Kallen's assualt rather easily, as did his team, although the strength of the Guren SEITEN meant that even the Lancelot folded easily under its onslaught. Regardless, the point of the discussion has been settled: The Valkyries are the Knight of Ten's unit, Luciano's, not Bismarck Waldstein's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The one092001 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

yes, please continue to miss the point. that was resolved already. Darfjono (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Split suggestion

Per the guideline of WP:SIZE, I suggest that we split the article down "faction" lines. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 14:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice this sections creation until after reverting your tag again. As to your thought, I don't think that would really work, because so many character have shifted their allegiances at least once during the shows course.Westrim (talk) 14:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Probably not, but something needs to be done to shorten this page. It takes altogether too much scrolling to navigate this list. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

As I noted in the summary of the aforementioned revert, lists generally get a pass on size concerns due to their nature- with the recognition that everything that can be done to pare it down should be done. Splitting is one of those options, but again, it can't quite work here without giving someone who has never seen the show a headache trying to track the shifting sands across several different pages. Giving the more major characters pages was done for a time, but due to a passing storm they were merged in. I plan to take up splitting them back out when the show is over, so if you want to help with that, it should reduce the article's size noticably.Westrim (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll be around. :) Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Characters can only maintain their own article if they have sufficient out-of-universe information to justify it. Splitting them back out without addressing this will only result in article deletions and re-merging. As far as list size, we can cut down by taking out very minor and seemingly unimportant characters, a process done to the character lists for Bleach. We don't have to list every single character in the series or spin-offs especially if information on them is only a few sentences long. Also character summaries can be further condensed or reworded to save space and make prose smoother. By doing this we can dramatically cut size without having to split. Fox816 (talk) 16:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Except that we (particularly Rogue Penguin) have pared this down rather substantially- most of the characters summaries are sized according to their importance to the series. We also don't list anyone that that the official site doesn't. I suppose we could split off the data on the video game characters and their interactions with the main cast, as well as the alternate universe manga, but I know of no precedent for that. And on the third party info, I'll leave that to others since I have no skill in reading japanese, and thus can't look for them. (I tend to think up, thus my first sentence is in response to your last two, and so on.) Westrim (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is pretty big, so I'm on the fence about a split. Some of the characters can be removed, but those that would be aren't all that big anyway. The size affect would be negligible. Those that wouldn't I'd be reluctant to trim down much. Unlike Bleach, the treatment of which I hardly find to be helpful, this series is very condensed. Their roles are important. I'd lean more towards a split. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I know we disagree on this, but short of splitting it by factions, which would only be confusing due to all the shifting allegiances, I really think the best option is more character pages (although a Brittanian Imperial family article would probably work, since that's what they always are). Even with Bleach, where everyone pretty much stays in their own group during the show, I find it frustrating to have to constantly switch between factions when there is a note about one characters interaction with another character. Times that by someone like Villetta or Jeremy. We could split off the spin-off character section without much harm, though.Westrim (talk) 22:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't have to be factions. Britannians are Britannians, regardless of whom they side with. Everyone else in another list. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

That still wouldn't work. Aside from those in the Holy Empire of Britannia section, that would include Ashford Academy and four of the six main characters, plus Diethard and V.V. If we did that it wouldn't be a split off, it would be a complete restructuring. Would we then have two main character sections, for example? Lets try to do it in more manageable chunks, if at all. Westrim (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

There can always be exceptions to the rule. It can be hammered out later if anything is agreed to. Ideally, the lists would be separate and the main character list would fit on the main page. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I prefer to hash things out ahead of time so as to reduce conflict, personally. If everyone's on the same page things goes more smoothly. I'll also reiterate my stance that we shouldn't make any large changes until the show ends and we don't have (many) new details to add. Westrim (talk) 23:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I can agree with that. Things are always easier to trim when the plot is finished, and this is nearly finished. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Unless we have a clear reason to split off and keep the characters, another separate character list would only get hit with an AfD. The character lists in Bleach are a result of 190 episodes and 300+ manga chapters, while Code Geass only has (at the moment) two 25 episode seasons. Splitting off the Britannian characters without a clear notability reason we could cite to potential AfD-ers would only result in certain types of people relentlessly tagging the page until it's likely remerged or deleted entirely. I realize this list is getting very long, but as mentioned above the characters here are switching sides more than a middle school dodgeball game and its getting very convoluted who belongs where. But I agree that we should wait until the series finishes to be able to finally determine where each character stands in the end. the_one092001 (talk) 06:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I have fond memories of those games. Too bad my old school district has banned it now- something about self esteem and injuries. Anyway, we're all in agreement to wait, so I'll start a new thread on this when the time is right. Westrim (talk) 17:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it is good as it is. Each of the main characters have their own page. The others all are on this main page. It is much better than navigating to 4 pages as in D.Gray-man page in wiki before we can see a description of a character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.130.242 (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

C.C.

Her summary needs to be expanded, but I'm not sure what to add exactly. Any suggestions? Westrim (talk) 04:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

C.C. is relatively easy to explain in general terms. Her summary doesn't need to be longer. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Except in the last seven or so episodes she's gotten a lot more complicated. There really should be some notation as to her running the black knights during his absence and her involvement in his fathers plan. Westrim (talk) 05:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Much like Suzaku turning traitor (repeatedly), Nunnally dieing (then not really), Kallen falling in love with Lelouch (which actually might be worth adding if 22 doesn't fuck it up), and so forth, adding such things invites the weekly updates such entries are meant to avoid. That and it's a fairly big spoiler in C.C.'s case and it would be somewhat rude to let out out in a three-sentence entry. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Which is why I'm only mentioning those two things, which we absolutely know to be true. Plus, the page is rife with spoilers- that Nunnally becomes a Viceroy would be no less shocking to someone staying with the dub. Westrim (talk) 06:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Running the Black Knights at least would be fine at least, it's not that bad. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 06:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ragnorok

I watched episode 22 i think it was or 21 i can't remember, with the fan subs, and i read the article, but i still can't understand what charles is trying to achieve. I'm not sure about how accurate the subs are, but i couldn't grasp the idea, can someone give me a detailed explanation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.194.24 (talk) 00:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Any explanation given in the article would border on original research. They just weren't that specific. The point was to make a world where it would be impossible to lie, because everyone's thoughts would be shared. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Ever seen End of Evangelion? Pretty much the part where everyone turns into Tang is what Chuckles was trying to do. Darfjono (talk) 01:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The God Charles referred to is the World of C, the afterlife, and the "collective unconsciousness of humanity". What he was trying to do was basically merge the conscious and unconscious worlds, which would mean that everyone would know what everyone else was thinking- a world without lies (without much individuality, too, but oh well). Since it doubled as an afterlife pattern buffer of sorts (presumably until reincarnation), the recently dead would also return, thus the whole bit about Euphemia returning. Westrim (talk) 02:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Dorothea and Monica's Knightmares

I've noticed that this page says that Dorothea Ernst and Monica Kruszewski were piloting Sutherlands during the fight. They weren't. Their knightmare frames weren't really shown, only inside the cockpits and after they blew up. Thus, we don't actually know what they were piloting and saying they were piloting Sutherlands is original research. Just thought I'd point this out, I've already edited it out. I felt I needed to mention this since my first edit was switched back to them operating Sutherlands. User:70.95.124.91 04:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It helps if you put your reason for the edit in the edit summary. As for what they fly, all the knightmares behind Bismarck are shown to be Sutherlands. There is no evidence that Dorothea and Monica's knightmares weren't among them. And please remember to sign your post.Westrim (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The units immediately flanking Bismarck are Sutherlands. Dorothea is flanking Bismarck. The units being destroyed by Suzaku's wing barrage are Sutherlands. Monica is among them. They both pilot Sutherlands. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

What I am saying here is, their knightmares weren't actually shown. They may have shown Sutherlands (which there were many of), but we don't know 100% that they were piloting them, just because other Sutherlands were there and because Sutherlands were being destroyed by the wing barrage. That is also like saying that since there were four Knights of Rounds there, those three that were shown immediately behind the Galahad had to be Rounds members. That can't be true because Gino (who wasn't shown during that clip) was also there, and he was in the Tristan. The other Rounds members could easily have been somewhere else, even if they were flanking him.70.95.124.91 (talk) 06:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

He was flying in back, thus the Harkens from nowhere that Suzaku crushed after destroying the Sutherlands. Also, without any evidence that they weren't in the Sutherlands, it is appropriate to assume that they were as they are the only knightmares shown besides the Galahad. Also note that the explosions of both of their knightmares showed their position relative to the formation and/or Galahad. Westrim (talk) 06:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Dorothea's knightmare was to the bottom left of Bismarck when she exploded, that postion wasn't shown when they were flying and there were 3 Sutherlands flanking Bismarck. Monica wasn't even shown exploding, and she wasn't hit by the wing barrage. Suzaku had shot her. Also, her postion relative to the Galahad isn't known, so we couldn't tell where she is. What I'm trying to say is that there is no proof that they are piloting Sutherlands and there is no proof they aren't. I'd prefer that there is mention that their knightmare frames are not known, since we have no hard evidence of what they pilot (other than one small scene where we are gauging what they pilot merely by thier relative postions to Bismarck, hardly enough to back it up). If we are going to say they pilot Sutherlands just because the rest of the common foot soldiers pilot Sutherlands, I'd prefer to drop this entire topic as that wouldn't be a produtive statement at all and would just lead us back to nowhere. 70.95.124.91 (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

This is relatively simple logic. They pilot Sutherlands because everyone around them pilots Sutherlands and we see nothing but Sutherlands aside from Bismarck. There are no unique mechs in that lineup aside from Gino, who is way behind the field. To claim they could have piloted anything else cannot be justified. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It is worth noting that the warning system was able identify four members of the Knights of Rounds and their machines, which could imply that they were piloting their own custom units. Again, we don't ever clearly see the exterior of the Frames carrying Monica and Dorothea, but I think it is logical to assume that they would have taken their Knightmares with them on deployment and would have used them in any coup attempt. Again, both sides seem to have a bit of speculation to them, the only Knightmares we see explicitly are the supporting Sutherlands, the Galahad, and the Tristan. The statement that Dorothea and Monica could not be piloting anything but a Sutherland because only Sutherlands were seen is a logical fallacy; we did not see the entire lineup, hence we cannot definitively tell who was piloting what. Dorothea may have been piloting a Sutherland, while Monica had her own Frame, or vice versa. Both could have been piloting Sutherlands, or neither of them. Until we have conclusive proof (i.e. a screenshot that clearly shows Dorothea's Knightmare before the explosion or Monica's Frame at all) we cannot conclusively back EITHER point of view, so I recommend omitting the reference entirely for the moment. the_one092001 (talk) 08:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. 70.95.124.91 (talk) 08:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Schneizel el Britannia

Schneizel should have his own article. Do you agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.244.138.100 (talk) 23:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Schneizel already has his own article. Dontyoudare (talk) 23:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Jeremiah Gottwald

If anybody wants the Jeremiah Gottwald article up, then here it is. SilentmanX (talk) 19:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think he's quite established enough notability to get his own article again. After his allegiance switch, all he's done is become Lelouch's attack dog, nothing particularly plot important. the_one092001 (talk) 10:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I think he's notable enough to have included in the main characters list, especially with questionable inclusions like Li Xingke (How is he a Main Character anyway?), Jeremiah's got quite a large amount of history to write about, and dozens of episodes he's appeared in. He was one of the few people who knew the truth of the Zero Requiem, which is a little more than being "Lelouch's attack dog". 81.110.108.151 (talk) 18:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Agree he should have his own article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raul1231 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I too agree: elements as his Geass Canceller ability and his role in the Zero Requiem make him a character important enough to get his own article. Inomuiro (talk) 06:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Xingke was rather crucial to the plot. As the leader of the revolutionary force in the former Chinese Federation and later the Commander-in-Chief of the Black Knights, he was one of the most powerful characters in the series. He also had quite a bit of screen time, particularly in earlier episodes although less in later episodes. He left a definite mark on the plot, while all things considered, Jeremiah didn't do that much. He reappeared mostly out of fan demand, and his Geass is used only three times, and two of those times result in unknown or rather trivial consequences (Anya's unknown memories are unlocked but never revealed, and Sayoko was injured but recovered). After the part where he joins the Black Knights, he fails to achieve anything really important; he duels Suzaku and Gino, and later Anya in his Sutherland Sieg, and aids in the assault of the Geass Directorate, before finally becoming Lelouch's attack dog to wipe out the rebelling nobility. All things considered, he didn't really do that much, he was just a sub-ace pilot that was used as a plot device to tie up other characters, while others like Xingke were top-class aces that clearly had a major effect on whatever battle they were fighting. the_one092001 (talk) 06:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yet Jeremiah has quite an important role in the R1's ending, also by separating Lelouch and C.C. (C.C.'s presence in the last confrontation between Suzaku and Lelouch could have made things go differently, or she could have been captured too. And his use of the Geass canceller in the R2 eventually brings to Shirley's death, which may be one out of three, but it's still a quite important plot turnpoint. Xingke is undoubtedly an important character, yet we don't even know his final fate for sure: we can only assume it. Inomuiro (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

He really wasn't that important in the ending for R1. He just attacked the Gawain. Anyone could have really done that; there wasn't too much of a personal connection between them (at least from Lelouch's side). And he restored Shirley's memories, but that incident and her following death played at best a passing role in Lelouch's personal decisions; he was already determined to take out the Geass Directorate. Shirley's death was also only indirectly caused by Jeremiah, whereas others such as Rolo and Xingke played a much more direct role.the_one092001 (talk) 03:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

"Not really that important in the ending for R1"? He saved the Second Princess of Britannia on his own from being captured, while you may think "anyone could have really done that" nobody else did, he did it. And we're talking about the Gawain, the knightmare that singlehanded took out the entire airforce Area 11 could put up against the Black Rebellion, it isn't exactly a pushover. The only person apart from V.V. that can actually fly the Seigfried, the most powerful knightmare on the battlefield that day; nobody else could interface with it to make it do anything AKA nobody could have done what he did that day. And if he didn't step in when he did, the Black Rebellion probably would have succeeded, with her as hostage the army couldn't have made a move, just like Cornelia couldn't move against the JLF when they held Euphie. That's a pretty large mark on the plot. Xingke, the Chinese Tohdoh? Not even the original Tohdoh got a page, and at least there's a little bit more history and action on that crank. Xingke fought in one major battle while with the Black Knights, maybe two if you could count the coastal decoy, and one last one where he fought against the Black Knights to save the Empress, that's pretty much it, so much for a 'direct role'. I like Xingke, he's just less major than Orange-kun who has been in more than twice as many conflicts where he was a figure of importance. And titles don't really make for big or otherwise laudable characters, otherwise the High Eunichs would need a page as they outrank him or the Emperor Charles of Britannia himself who is arguably the main protagonist as well as the highest ranking in the series, so simple rank and supposed positions of power doesn't really mean much. "Failing to do anything of significance since joining the Black Knights" is ironically something that could just as much be applied to Xingke as Jeremiah. 81.110.108.151 (talk) 17:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Totally agreed! Inomuiro (talk) 08:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Jeremiah is obsessed with Zero: that in my opinion qualifies as a quite strong personal connection. And I have to insist that his forcing C.C. and Lelouch apart at the very end has quite strong repercussions on the whole starting point of R2. Also, he saved Cornelia's life in ep. 14. Inomuiro (talk) 11:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Note that Cornelia isn't a main character either. There is a major difference between "reoccuring" and "main" character. For all intents and purposes, the entire cast aside from the main characters could easily be swapped out for anyone else, but the story would remain the same. Lelouch and Suzaku cannot be replaced, as it is their wills and desires that drive the entire storyline while the rest of the cast, even the rest of the main cast, are pretty much just along for the ride. It doesn't matter how many amazing Knightmares he destroyed (he didn't, C.C. kamikazed him instead). Anyone who had been modified could have piloted Siegfried; there is no special trait that makes Jeremiah the only person who could, as evidenced by V.V.'s usage (and he doesn't have a page either). All of those "accomplishments" were mirrored by other characters who don't have their own pages; both Xingke and Tohdoh slaughtered whole armies but didn't do anything particularly plot-important there. Xingke becomes important because he is the man that brought the Chinese Federation to the table and is responsible for much of the plot in the early part of R2, during the Black Knights' stay at the Chinese Embassy as well as the coup d'etat, then he becomes instrumental to creating the UFN after negotiating the Chinese Federation's entry and becoming the CnC of the Black Knights. He established notability prior to his joining the Black Knights, whereas Jeremiah did not establish any useful notability before or after that, since all he really did was switch sides in his debut appearance and very indirectly kill Shirley. For Shirley's death, if you're going to blame Jeremiah, you might as well blame V.V., who sent him there in the first place, or General Bartley who gave him the Geass Canceler. He didn't save Cornelia either; Lelouch was just about to leave anyway at C.C.'s urging right before he showed up and attacked. He attacked and the net effect of his actions was to get C.C. out of the way temporarily, a result that could easily be achieved through other means (even just getting Suzaku to attack and disable the Gawain). "Obsession" is not a reason to create a new article either since Nina was also obsessed with killing Zero/Lelouch just as much as Jeremiah was, and could be seen to have an even more important impact on the plot since she developed FLEIJA. But she's just not a major character, along with Lloyd, Cecile, Rakshata and everyone else who made important but indirect contributions to the plot. the_one092001 (talk) 08:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

"Note that Cornelia isn't a main character either" I didn't say she was "It doesn't matter how many amazing Knightmares he destroyed" I, not suprisingly, didn't give that as a good reason for inclusion either "is responsible for much of the plot in the early part of R2" Same could be said for Cornelia during most of R1. Under your own stated policy of unique wills and desires, just as someone else could have been cybernetically upgraded (Although there weren't) to fly the Seigfried and save the Second Princess, there could have easily been another dispossed army officer who started a rebellion, there were two sub-characters assisting Xing-ke anyhow already in the existing plot, his will was hardly unique, decisive, or even largely acknowledged, he was dominated by Lelouch, and turned into his pawn, he heartfelt declarations regarding never becoming his subordinate was for nought, as much a figurehead as the Empress, his own directions were non-existent other than obidience. We saw a grand total of one ambition in him, and that was to save his Empress; everything else just happened around him and he consented to it. "He didn't save Cornelia either; Lelouch was just about to leave anyway at C.C.'s urging right before he showed up and attacked" That is inconsistant with what is shown in the episode; even when he knew about his sister and Jermiah had burst in, he was still trying to grab Cornelia even then and had to be actually blocked to be stopped, he was going to take her and then go after his sister; I know you want to make him look minor but at least stick within what the episode actually showed us was happening. Isolated components such as guilt, obssessions, ambitions, desires, they don't act as good reasons on their own, they are just further wealth to expand upon in a proper article, and Jeremiah has all four (very roughly: Guilt over the Empress's death, Obssession with revenge on Zero, ambition to clear his name and advance up in society, and desire to become a Knight of Rounds). Working out who Zero probably was by R1 Ep 10 was pretty significant, as well as the Geass Canceller; once again on their own they are weak, but compounding all of these things onto one character makes for something quite hefty and substantial. 81.110.108.151 (talk) 23:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the article should be added because he is noticable character and we all like the guy. Give Orange some love here. (SilentmanX (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)).

Nunnally succeeding Lelouch

I don't remember it being mentioned during the last episode that Nunnally succeeded Lelouch as the Empress. I'm not sure, because I wasn't watching too carefully, so I'm reluctant to remove this. Can someone confirm for me that this was in fact mentioned? Or was it merely inferred that this was so from the scene with Ohgi shaking hands with her? -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 04:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And is Ohgi the prime minister of the United State of Japan? -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Both are inferred. But both seem very likely. We should note on the article that both are inferred. - plau (talk) 06:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Unless it can be confirmed, I think it should just be deleted. We know she becomes an important figure, but we cannot tell exactly what either of their positions are. And how do we know that Ohgi is the PM of Japan, and not part of the Black Knights or UFN instead? It is likely that Nunnally is the Empress of Britannia, since she's the only loyal surviving member of the former Royal Family after Lelouch died, Schneizel got Geassed, and Cornelia took off with Guilford. But still, without direct confirmation, we cannot be certain. the_one092001 (talk) 06:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Ohgi became the Prime Minister of Japan, in the bit where we see this pictures on the wall in Tamaki's store, the one with words congratulating Tamaki says "日本国首相 扇要", which means "Prime Minister of Japan - Ohgi Kaname". So I'm sure he became PM. - plau (talk) 07:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Fine; I can't read Japanese so I couldn't tell what was being said since the subs don't cover everything. the_one092001 (talk) 03:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

That appears to explain Ohgi as the Prime Minister of Japan for certain, but how are we inferring that Nunnally is the Empress? For all we know, the rank was abolished outright following Lelouch's reign of terror demonstrating how abusive the position could be. We should get a solid lead on it, and certainly not assume that she is the Empress, or that the role is even still there without that sourcing. It should be either cited or deleted that she was the 100th Empress of Britannia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.108.151 (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is weird, but I don't know if this should counts as a cited source, but this website claims she does, but it's just a list: http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Family I'll find out more about this.--Miss Lindsie (talk) 21:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Trimming - Specifically removal character

Recently, TTN made some trimming of the article and certain characters have been removed. I don't think those characters are unnecessary and I'm adding them back. Discuss here before removing them. But I do feel we need to split in article into some form - plau (talk) 00:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Characters that have no actual importance within the series do not belong in this list. This will definitely never need to be split. After trimming this and getting the main characters merged into it, it should end up at around 70kb. TTN (talk) 00:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't know where the 70kb figure comes from. These lists should be as long as they need to be to accurately portray the characters, and the addition of more characters should not force the entries to get smaller. I admit some of these characters are iffy, but I must agree with Westrim: at least leave a discussion page entry about what you're doing, otherwise editors will assume you are just crusading to cut the article without even informing those that worked to create it. You tell the creator of an article when you nominate it for AfD, so why aren't you telling the people who created and worked hard on the article that you plan to make drastic cuts? It's impolite to do so. the_one092001 (talk) 03:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

semiprotect?

Looking at the history of this article, a large portion of the past edits are from unregistered IPs, and have all been reverted. I was thinking maybe get this page semi-protected for a while? Prior to these edits, it seems there's a lot of edits and reverts going on as well... -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 06:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

ToC 3-level limit?

Why do we have a three level limit for the Table of Contents on this page? I am going to change to a normal ToC just to see what it looks like. -PatPeter 21:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Royal Family's Fate

Should we asume that Odysseus, Guinevere, and Carline of the royal family are deceased after Schneizel destroyed the capital with the F.L.E.I.J.A. bomb. I think we should at least say their fates are unknown or they were presumably killed in the explosion by the end of the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maine Coon Cat (talk • contribs) 14:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

No, according to the chart on the official site, they are still alive. Since Pendragon was destroyed before Diethard was killed and he is marked as dead.--Refuteku (talk) 15:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Nightmare of Nunnally

Will it be possible to add info of the characters from the manga to the articles. If anybody have read the Nightmare of Nunnally manga, then you all know about them but some didn't.

Recently I've added info on both Nunnally and Lelouch from the manga, because its a separate storyline from the anime. There is something interesting about the characters we've seen from the anime to this manga series, and I've enjoyed it and I know you guys do also. I add more info about these characters from the manga if anybody's interested, but this guy is editing them out!!! Its a separate storyline from the anime and the manga, so why does it have to be edited out!?

If you would like to see the info from the manga get added, have your say.--SilentmanX (talk) 01:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Lelouch and Nunnally's surname

Doesn't anyone think that Lelouch and Nunnally's last name should be listed as vi Britannia rather than Lamperouge. Nunnally who has a bigger role in the second season is always referred as Nunnally vi Britannia. Also, by the end of the series Lelouch goes back to the name Lelouch vi Britannia. (Maine Coon Cat (talk) 08:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC))

Members of the Royal Family

I'v read that their are more members of the imperial family for example Cassius le Britannia, Carline's brother; Arianna u Britannia, Odyssues mother; Edward zi Britannia and Charlottle zi Britannia, Charles's father Federick von Britannia and more. Why aren't they listed?

Where do these names come from? - plau (talk) 10:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Even if they are sourceable names, these characters do not play a part in the plot and shouldn't be listed. --Farix (Talk) 11:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I know... and I think they're from fan fiction. I tried googling some of the names. - plau (talk) 08:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

V.V.'s real name

V.V. is Charles di Britannia's brother meaning that V.V. must have a shot at taking the Britannian throne. Article's and biblo's reveal that V.V's real name is Vincent di Britannia.

And may I ask for a source. - plau (talk) 10:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There could be a slight problem with that. How could that be it? You know that his name is like C.C., a real mystery.--Miss Lindsie (talk) 21:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

A missing character

I was looking on the Japan website of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2 and I went to look for the character on the list of characters, he was not listed. Here is the link: http://www.geass.jp/world_03_ex.html?pid=chara_43.html Can you tell me who this person is and why is he not added on to the list?--Miss Lindsie (talk) 21:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

From what I remember he is a refrain dealer who only appears in one episode. He's basically an insignificant character so there is no need to put him on the character list. (Maine Coon Cat (talk) 00:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)).

Shirley Fenette

Should I or should I not bring back the Shirley Fenette article? look at the article and decide. (SilentmanX (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)).

I think if you are going to bring back her article you should also bring back Jeremiah Gottwald's article as well because he is just as important of a character as she is. (70.140.38.244 (talk) 05:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)).

Would they allow me too? You know they guy who removed the other articles before? (SilentmanX (talk) 15:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)).

I think she should have her own page because if Li Xingke has his own page a more important character like Shirley should have her own page.(70.140.38.244 (talk) 14:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)).

Bring the Shirley article back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.76.195.205 (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The last time we had the Jeremiah Gottwald we had a grand total of one objection, albeit a very vocal one. I say go for it. Bring back Shirley, Jermiah, and Cornelia, they're all more important than Xingke. 81.110.108.151 (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles zi/di Britannia

Since we clearly can't agree on which is correct, I've requested full protection on the page to end the edit war. Until one of us finds CONCLUSIVE evidence to the contrary, it should remain as is. Fullmetal2887 ^{(discuss me)} 19:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The episode is conclusive. He says zi, quite clearly. It's not an effect of the s at the end of his name. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It apparently is zi, according to the official website: [2]. I stand corrected. Fullmetal2887 ^{(discuss me)} 23:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Seriously? Because in the CODE GEASS - 22.25 - Picture Drama 08 shows a plate of Marianne with Charles's full name. His full name on the plate is Charles di Britannia. I think the guys who dub the series made a mistake on the name. Here is the image of the plate.

SilentmanX (discuss me) 17:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)