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Questions about Episodes

Questions: How was the computer identified as an AppleII? I thought it to be one of the TRS models. Also, how would Locke have known about the "don't press the button" if it was told Shannon, and there was no indicatin that Shannon spoke to Locke about this. How is the apparent sunlight accounted for, as the Hatch is underground and the intrusion was done at night, or the wee hours of the morning? Buzmeg 13:47, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the computer isn't an Apple II (the execute button gives that away), but I'm not sure it's a TRS, either. I'm holding off on editing until I've figured out what exactly it is. --Jethomes 20:26, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it's a hybrid. The computer portion is definitely the shell of an Apple ][ (but it's been modified to have an execute button). The display/monitor is from a TRS-80. The two 5.25 floppy drives (which were to the right of the computer) are also Apple. :Tenzai 03:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The monitor is not from a TRS-80 either. It's a monitor ///. Shown here: apple II+. They've just covered up the monitor /// logo with a Dharma logo. Lost Apple. I owned one of these for a long time. As people have noted though, Apples don't have execute keys. It looks like the replaced the lower right shift key with the execute key. Hentai wolf 21:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering, but what is the song that Desmond plays inside the Hatch bunker?- JustPhil 11:15, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's "You've Got To Make Your Own Music" by Mama Cass. Awesome song for the scene. Very John Woo. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Two questions. One, the MoS,MoF summary says the"The episode begins with a man logging onto an Apple II computer using "the numbers".". Forgive my potential brainfart, but I certainly don't recall the actual login being shown. Secondly, I would make Desmond out to be a Scotsman, not an Irishman. Thoughts? -The Tom 15:15, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the keys he presses, he writes the numbers although you don't see them anywhere else. I think his name refers to John Desmond Bernal, an Irish writer who among other things thought up the biodome (= the hatch). Mikkel 15:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The role of Desmond is played by Henry Ian Cusick, born in Peru, with a Scottish father of Irish descent. And yeah, I first took him for Scottish too. --84.238.29.10 20:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering, at what point did Walt tell Locke not to push the button? I remember him saying not to open "that thing", but I certainly don't recall any button-pushing.

Walt told Locke not to open the hatch in Season 1. In this episode, Walt appears briefly in the woods and tells Shannon something in backwards English, but it sounds more like "Don't press the button, the button is bad", with the "Don't" almost completely inaudible.

Is the final summary line about "...and Found" true? Is it really Kate's last show? Can anyone confirm this?

Excellent notes at this page, but are some of them coming from the script and not what actually plays out on the screen? For example, the line:

Jack meets Sarah's fiance, who is unhappy at the prospect of marrying a woman who will need constant medical care.

I don't recall seeing that. Did I miss it completely? Of course, the fact that there are notes on as yet unaired episodes furthers my suspicion. ----Tharsaile

Yes, he did meet him in the aired episode. Jack was sitting at his desk and telling the fiance. The fiance asks if Sarah will ever be able to walk again and Jack says it is unlikely. The fiance never shows up again. Mikkel 22:34, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is the person who was with Desmond in the Hatch named "Kelvin," as the article states, or "Calvin"? I think the latter would fit in better with the trend of characters named after philosophers.

Thanks, Mikkel (should I indent this?) Another question for those who record the show: Did the egg yolks in Desmond's blender look normal to you, or were they red? ----Tharsaile

Hurley Snowman joke

In which episode did Hurley give the response to the Snowman joke? I don't recall that. Also, how do you see the Dharma logo on the shark's fin? --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 17:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what snowman joke you're talking about, but as for the shark, when watching it for the first time I managed to notice there was definitely something on the end of the sharks tail and it swam by the camera. I'm sure people who captured the episode re-watched it to see what it was. -- MacAddct1984 18:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, the snowman thing was the question that Desmond poses to Locke. An editor added a note claiming that Hurley has given the answer as "Does it smell like carrots to you" in a previous episode. This is certainly a cogent response to the riddle, but I don't remember it occurring. I will add the shark tail logo thing back in though. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Hurley's ever said that... though the word yet should be applied to that. Desmond is looking for "him," the him being the person who can answer the question. Locke couldn't. Hurley might be able to a few episodes down the line. However, this has not happened YET, and as such is a supposition (probably based on the fact that Hurley's episode is upcoming, and the description involves him doing something hatch related), which doesn't belong on the page, unless someone can provide transcript evidence of the line. Baryonyx 18:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing I can find by looking at episode transcripts is Hurley asking Jin if he wants to make snowballs while trying to decipher his hand gestures during the building of the raft in episode 18. As far as I can tell, there are no other mentions of jokes, riddles, carrots, or snow that have relevance to this context. Mikkel 19:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Citation

Information about future episodes that is not cited on official websites or other authoritative sources will be removed in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Please cite this information either in the article or on this talk page. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This right now includes the listing of any flashback speculation about future episodes, episode summaries that don't come from authoritative sources. BTW, tv.com does not count as an authoritative source as the information is also fan-supplied. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What is the source for the future episode flashbacks? Is it just speculation based on the episode titles? --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 03:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Desmond: Irish or Scottish?

From above:

  • That may be, although the show's Desmond doesn't have anything to do with the creation of the "biodome" and the design itself is a geodesic dome, ala Buckminster Fuller. It may just be the case of a common Irish name being used. Most of the characters on Lost who might have real world counterparts are linked by full name (John Locke, Anthony Cooper) or surname (Rousseau, Carlyle), rather than just first name. However, guessing if the name is a reference to someone is pure speculation, and outside our scope :)

The debate goes on....

  • I'm fairly sure that Desmond is an Irishman. Desmond is an historically Irish name (from gaelic Deas Mhumhan meaning "from Munster",which is in Ireland) and the yet another philosopher seems to confirm my suspicions. The accent sounds Irish, but I am not a British or Irish citizen so I probably can't accurately identify the accent, but until someone with more knowledge can verify it shouldn't be listed as either. If listing his nationality is important then we should probably go with Irish, given the reasons above.

Removed from Episodes of Lost (Season 2)

Excised from "Orientation":

There is a continuity issue here: the gun that Sawyer, Michael, and Jin brought with them was last seen when Michael was shooting the shark in the previous episode. When it ran out of bullets, he threw it into the water. How did Sawyer get the gun back and where did he get more bullets?
This is inaccurate. In the episode "Adrift", Michael fires three times at the shark. There is no audible clue that he is out of bullets. He also does not throw the gun away, rather places it on the deck of the raft that he is floating on. While he is not seen picking it back up, he clearly could have given it back to Sawyer.

-LeFlyman 18:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the following from the summary. "Desmond mentions that the craft he used to race around the world was a solar racer. SWAN (Solar Wind Anisotropies) instruments have something to do with solar storms and magnetic fields."
While the SWAN technology information is accurate, the actual circumstances surrounding Desmond's arrival on the island were not. Desmond stated he was in a 'solo race' around the world, not a solar racer. I would presume this would be along the lines of what Ellen_MacArthur did in 2004-2005. He stated his boat crashed into the island's reef. I added the specifics of what Desmond said (checked against Closed Captioning) to the summary. :Tenzai 04:11, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Screen Captures

The buildings of the Hanso foundation

File:Narvik2.jpg
The norwegian town of Narvik on the top and a shot from the film.

Someone stuck this into the Orientation synopsis, which I've excised. It's interesting, but more appropriate to fan sites:

"The film also includes a shot of the Norwegian town Narvik. "

LeFlyman 03:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just came across this article in a Norwegian newspaper. The buildings seen on the film reel is actually the city hall in the northern city of Narvik, Norway. Comparative pictures can be found in the article. It is also speculating that the man shown as the rich Danish entreprenour through the window is Ivar Normark, father of a manager of a Norwegian soccer team in the premier division.

The article (in Norwegian) http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2005/10/07/445691.html

80.212.255.13 18:01, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About major edits

Please, before you decide to do a major edit first consider whether or not this will help the article itself. Secondly have a discussion with the others before you do so. And of course, if anything like that is indeed decided then be careful to input all the useful data that were written before the edit. We won't need to edit the article again to include information that was lost during the major edit. In general, follow the Wikipedia guidlines on editing an article. Thank you Phoebus 00:32, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you find that excessive information is submitted to an article, it would be wise in order not to result in a lame edit war to discuss it before you remove it. Information that seems excessive to you may in fact be of some importance later. See Episodes of Lost (Season 1) as a rough guideline on what is considered excessive and what not. Thank you Phoebus 10:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, Phoebus. Having your words edited are a fact of life here. (Kind of like how I refactored your section to its proper place chronologically.) I would suggest you may wish to review the frequently controversial "Be Bold" Policy. I should also note that while your additions to the episode descriptions have been interesting observations, they have tended to fall into the realm of what has been popularly referred to here as "cruft" -- and thus have been subject to removal. There's no requirement that every detail be recorded in the episode synopses -- 'cause then they wouldn't be synopses :) 06:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

What Walt says in reverse

Most people seem to be claiming that Walt's backwards-speech says "Don't press the button. The button's bad." But it sounds to me a lot more like "Press the button. No button's bad." The former is obviously more concrete, but, then, Lost has never been known for solid directives. Anyone have any thoughts? I've added what I heard as a possibility. There's a reference on About.com for now. Bitt 19:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The actor who plays Walt, Malcolm David Kelley appeared on the Jimmy Kimmel Live on September 27, just after the episode aired, and Kimmel asked him what he whispered. Malcolm said it was "Don't (press) the button." He stated "push" rather than "press" but I think we can forgive that. Since then, however, the audio clips seem to sound more like what you claim. See this discussion on The Fusalage on this very topic. LeFlyman 23:10, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is why I originally had the line saying "Walt speaks incoherently". First, one cannot really determine from the show itself what Walt said. Instead, it must be done outside of the show, which is fairly crufty. Second, as long as there is a debate about what Walt said, I don't think we should have EITHER interpretation up there, since both are speculative. Baryonyx 09:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget that Walt tells Locke just before they leave on the raft "Locke! Don't open it! (the hatch)" which would support the "dont push the button" camp. Personally, if it was me I'd keep pushing in just case it was a self destruct for the building. With the building intact they have power, fresh water, security and heat.

I read that Walt was reading a commic book before the plane crashed. Is it possible Walt has created/conjured this entire island and "the others" on it ala the little girl in Taken? One of the pictures in the comic book is what appears to be a island on top of a huge dome. We know that what ever he sees on paper can come to life in reality. (bird, bear and seriously injured man) If they were smart they'd start showing him drawings of rescue helicopters.

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