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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 75.163.107.238 (talk) at 12:15, 1 December 2008. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

What is wrong with these kids in the Netherlands. No government is that stupid to allow a company to get around alcohol regulations with an argument that it is powder. The laws in the U.S. take this into account. I'm unsure on the Netherlands specifically, but I gurantee these press releases will just anger the government and get this product shut down.

You seem to know the subject well and you contributions are welcome. But please mention your sources. Especially, don't remove information without a very good reason. It seems to be a fact that in most countries the powder doesn't count as alcohol legally. Are there no news sources in the US that have mentioned the product? --Sasper 07:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if you know or are associated with the Booz2go creators? I would love to get into contact with them. There are no countries that I am aware of whose statutes are so sloppy as to exclude powder and only apply to liquid. Maybe the Netherlands, but in every other developed country, specifically the U.S. the statutes read "liquid or solid" of a certain alcohol percentage. I am an attorney in the United States and have done all the research regarding this product. It is clear these students, who issued the false and incorrect press release don't know what they are talking about. They could also likely be subject to numerous legal consequences for their false statements in the press release. They never invented this product, it was invented in the mid 1960's. There are numerous patents to prove this. No one has addressed this issue, but I suggest they stop puting these statements out about wanting to sell to kids. Subyou had the same ideas about getting around the tax and the age limit and of course the government had something to say. You have quoted numerous statements of law without sites or background. A blog or a false press release do not count as reputable citation. If you want some legal citation to a few countries "alcohol" (or "distilled spirits")definitions by statute I will be happy to provide such.

No, of course I am not associated with any of these producers or inventors. Their name and home town is mentioned in the article (and in some of the sources) so I think you can find them fairly easily. I read about the Dutch product and then I did some research because I never heard about alcohol powder before. As the German source (the food chemist) says there is a US patent from 1969, I also wondered if the Dutch just pretended to invent the stuff in order to create PR. Unfortunately, the only scientific source I could find is that German chemist. Another source would be good. I have also wondered if it would really be true that alcohol laws don't apply, but that was what I got from the sources. Subyou (in Germany) created some stir-up and public debate, but seemingly they were not submit to alcohol laws. I am sure the law would be changed if their product became widespread, but most Germans don't seem to know it. Another drawback for popularity is that quite a big bag of powder is needed to create a drink (60 g, probably five table spoons or so) and it probably tastes rather bad. I was sceptical to some of your edits because I suspected you were representing the US developer you mention, but as you are a lawyer it explains the matter. --Sasper 01:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The link to Pulver Spirits

is broken points goes to a domain registrar now. I'm not an experienced editor. Is that good enough reason to just edit out the link75.163.107.238 (talk) 12:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]